Wich File-Format???

millenium man · 12-19-2005, 07:13

Hi

Here's my question: I'm going to transfer my music to my Cowon X5... But in wich Format?!

Am I going to hear any difference between for example Mp3 and wma?!

PS:I have the Shure E2c ( if this should be important somehow )

And wich Format do YOU have (and if you want to let us know why :thumbsup: ) , you have can choice from: FLAC, OGG, WMA, MP3 ASF, WAV & MPEG4

THX!!!!

m_memmory · 12-19-2005, 07:19

Basically use whatever format you want to use. Many people use MP3's because they can be used on pretty much every single DAP out there (as well as mobile phones etc) Others will use WMA as the files will generally be smaller for the same sounding quality but then your stuck with files that can only be used on WMA playing DAPs.

Personally I use ogg vorbis. I picked this because I just wanted something that would sound good on my X5 and be small enough to be able to fit lots on. I don't use any other player other then the X5 and my PC so it doesn't matter to me that they can only be played on ogg vorbis playing hardware.

Soon I intend to get a large enough hard drive that I can rip my entire music collection to it in FLAC and then I can just encode from that to whatever lossless format I might ever want to in the future.

Diego · 12-19-2005, 10:00

But dont songs in ogg format eat up the the battery of a dap? I know they're smaller but i'm pretty sure i hear that they take up a lot of energy or something. For me, mine are mostly (95%) mp3 128kbps. I started using wma but then stoppped cause my of my brothers owns an ipoo and wma's cant be on there. Ogg sounds like a good format except for the battery, right now my X5 is only getting out 10hrs tops so i'm staying with mp3. 128kbps is a good bitrate, any higher sounds better but takes up more space, and a lower bitrate makes your songs have low quality sound. Personally i like all of my collection to be in one format, which is mp3, and thats what most people have and what all DAPs/mp3 players play(after all, they are named after it) so I prefer mp3.

m_memmory · 12-19-2005, 10:21

ogg does take a bit more computer power to decode...

but then to have the same sound out of an ogg file as the similar bit-rate mp3 file the ogg file would be smaller meaning that it wouldn't be as complicated to extract the audio so it kinda works out to be about the same (well I've never noticed much of a difference)

To me I'd rather have the smaller file sizes meaning I can put more music on my X5 (or use it for my uni assignments to make sure I've got a back up of all my work - some of those files are massive!)

millenium man · 12-19-2005, 15:03

Ok ...nice replys! thx..

But all my music is in Mp3 ,the sound-quality won't improve if i convert it in formats with a higher bitrate , will it?!

Pete7874 · 12-19-2005, 15:08

No, it won't.

HiMDforMe · 12-19-2005, 16:01

yeah, don't waste your time trying to re-encode mp3s. if you're not too particular i say just use mp3 and then you know you'll never had any issue with compatibility on players or if you want an mp3 disc or something. plus the better battery life. use the preset-alt-standard setting and rip away. its all about the music anyway, so whatever you use keep the quality fairly high as least for archiving purposes.

atm · 12-19-2005, 16:58

What I like about oggs is that they are open-source codecs. No strings attached, no DRM, or anything like that.

millenium man · 12-20-2005, 11:58

ok...

I was just afraid , because everyone says with the e2c's you haer EVERYTHING
and that they play how the output is , that they don't cange anything ...well , and if I have a bad quality I thought i would maybe hear the bad things with the E2c's even more than with some cheap earphones.... waht do you mean?

sry for all these newbie questions but , well I AM A NEWBIE :bigsmile:

m_memmory · 12-20-2005, 14:08

The e2c's are good IEMs and you will hear lots of stuff in the music - whether you are more likely to be able to tell whether the music is ripped as bad quality all depends on how good you are at listening and picking out the sounds.

I have my music in Q4 OGG (works out about 45-50Mb per CD) and I can't tell any difference between that and 320kbps MP3 from some ABX testing I did (where you test 2 sound files to see if you can pick out which is which but the computer picks the files randomly so you don't know which one your hearing and so the placebo effect is taken away of thinking the higher quality sounds better because you know that your hearing it)

Lucifer · 12-20-2005, 16:48

Hmmmm. You use whatever sounds best to you. I use a mixture of level 0 FLAC, MP3 at different bitrates, (for example I have my rap/hip hop encoded at 160kb mp3), 48 KHz WAV, and wma at different bitrates.

12-19-2005, 07:13	#1
millenium man www.cowon-iaudio.de.vu Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 110	Wich File-Format??? Hi Here's my question: I'm going to transfer my music to my Cowon X5... But in wich Format?! Am I going to hear any difference between for example Mp3 and wma?! PS:I have the Shure E2c ( if this should be important somehow ) And wich Format do YOU have (and if you want to let us know why :thumbsup: ) , you have can choice from: FLAC, OGG, WMA, MP3 ASF, WAV & MPEG4 THX!!!!

12-19-2005, 07:19	#2
m_memmory Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Derby, Britain Posts: 259	Basically use whatever format you want to use. Many people use MP3's because they can be used on pretty much every single DAP out there (as well as mobile phones etc) Others will use WMA as the files will generally be smaller for the same sounding quality but then your stuck with files that can only be used on WMA playing DAPs. Personally I use ogg vorbis. I picked this because I just wanted something that would sound good on my X5 and be small enough to be able to fit lots on. I don't use any other player other then the X5 and my PC so it doesn't matter to me that they can only be played on ogg vorbis playing hardware. Soon I intend to get a large enough hard drive that I can rip my entire music collection to it in FLAC and then I can just encode from that to whatever lossless format I might ever want to in the future. __________________ iAudio X5L 30Gb zCover Black Shure e2c

12-19-2005, 10:00	#3
Diego Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canton, GA, USA Posts: 161	But dont songs in ogg format eat up the the battery of a dap? I know they're smaller but i'm pretty sure i hear that they take up a lot of energy or something. For me, mine are mostly (95%) mp3 128kbps. I started using wma but then stoppped cause my of my brothers owns an ipoo and wma's cant be on there. Ogg sounds like a good format except for the battery, right now my X5 is only getting out 10hrs tops so i'm staying with mp3. 128kbps is a good bitrate, any higher sounds better but takes up more space, and a lower bitrate makes your songs have low quality sound. Personally i like all of my collection to be in one format, which is mp3, and thats what most people have and what all DAPs/mp3 players play(after all, they are named after it) so I prefer mp3. Last edited by Diego; 12-19-2005 at 10:05..

12-19-2005, 10:21	#4
m_memmory Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Derby, Britain Posts: 259	ogg does take a bit more computer power to decode... but then to have the same sound out of an ogg file as the similar bit-rate mp3 file the ogg file would be smaller meaning that it wouldn't be as complicated to extract the audio so it kinda works out to be about the same (well I've never noticed much of a difference) To me I'd rather have the smaller file sizes meaning I can put more music on my X5 (or use it for my uni assignments to make sure I've got a back up of all my work - some of those files are massive!) __________________ iAudio X5L 30Gb zCover Black Shure e2c

12-19-2005, 15:08	#6
Pete7874 X5 killa Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 738	No, it won't. __________________ X5 20GB + Shure E2C

12-19-2005, 15:03	#5
millenium man www.cowon-iaudio.de.vu Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 110	Ok ...nice replys! thx.. But all my music is in Mp3 ,the sound-quality won't improve if i convert it in formats with a higher bitrate , will it?!

12-19-2005, 16:01	#7
HiMDforMe Rockbox5 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 995	yeah, don't waste your time trying to re-encode mp3s. if you're not too particular i say just use mp3 and then you know you'll never had any issue with compatibility on players or if you want an mp3 disc or something. plus the better battery life. use the preset-alt-standard setting and rip away. its all about the music anyway, so whatever you use keep the quality fairly high as least for archiving purposes.

12-19-2005, 16:58	#8
atm Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 20	What I like about oggs is that they are open-source codecs. No strings attached, no DRM, or anything like that.

12-20-2005, 11:58	#9
millenium man www.cowon-iaudio.de.vu Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 110	ok... I was just afraid , because everyone says with the e2c's you haer EVERYTHING and that they play how the output is , that they don't cange anything ...well , and if I have a bad quality I thought i would maybe hear the bad things with the E2c's even more than with some cheap earphones.... waht do you mean? sry for all these newbie questions but , well I AM A NEWBIE :bigsmile:

12-20-2005, 14:08	#10
m_memmory Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Derby, Britain Posts: 259	The e2c's are good IEMs and you will hear lots of stuff in the music - whether you are more likely to be able to tell whether the music is ripped as bad quality all depends on how good you are at listening and picking out the sounds. I have my music in Q4 OGG (works out about 45-50Mb per CD) and I can't tell any difference between that and 320kbps MP3 from some ABX testing I did (where you test 2 sound files to see if you can pick out which is which but the computer picks the files randomly so you don't know which one your hearing and so the placebo effect is taken away of thinking the higher quality sounds better because you know that your hearing it) __________________ iAudio X5L 30Gb zCover Black Shure e2c

12-20-2005, 16:48	#11
Lucifer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 220	Hmmmm. You use whatever sounds best to you. I use a mixture of level 0 FLAC, MP3 at different bitrates, (for example I have my rap/hip hop encoded at 160kb mp3), 48 KHz WAV, and wma at different bitrates.

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