Whats the best file quality to use with the x5?

08-10-2005, 17:30

mp3,ogg,wma etc.. and at what bitrate?

Also whats the best file quality that exists .. someone told me its the acc/ma4 that apple/itunes uses is that true?

Caravaggio · 08-10-2005, 18:21

Flac. I use level 8, but the difference in compression size is negligable from 6-8. For lossy files, I find ogg at q7 to be transparent.

Frostmourne · 08-10-2005, 18:23

Yes, I find OGG -q7 to be absolutely perfect for my ears. Quality 6 is okay too though. If you want to use MP3 used LAME's standard and extreme presets, becuase they are designed to be transparent with the smallest size possible. NEVER use WMA.

Barry · 08-10-2005, 18:35

Interesting, while I am currently using Ogg level 6, I have always found WMA 192 to be far more musical than lame alt preset anything. To me, lame is somehow more atificial than WMA.

song.exe · 08-10-2005, 19:00

FLAC...it's lossless.

jawaknight01 · 08-10-2005, 19:27

How does the file compression size of Ogg compare to MP3; also, is MP3 192 bitrate that much better than 128?

Pete7874 · 08-10-2005, 19:48

At low bitrates, say 64 to 128 kbps, ogg sounds much better than mp3 of the same bitrates, and if the bitrates are the same, then the file size is the same. Once you get above 192 kbps, especially VBR, there isn't that much difference between the two in terms of sound quality, at least IMO.

As far as 192 kbps mp3 being that much better than 128 kpbs mp3 - it's up to you. If you hear a big difference, then to you it is. For me, the difference is big. I can't stand a 128 kbps mp3. On the other hand, a 128 kbps ogg is quite OK.

aindfan · 08-10-2005, 19:57

Is there a battery life toll if one uses FLAC instead of LAME CBR?

Thanks!

song.exe · 08-10-2005, 20:15

Its lossless, meaning uncompressed. No quality loss when ripped from CD.

08-10-2005, 20:20

Thanks,
whats the best lossy? ogg or mp3

also i will be getting some legal songs from my friend, who uses acc.

any tips on how to keep a steady sound quality

HyperLittleOne · 08-10-2005, 20:20

I use CD...but then again it's not compatible with the X5

song.exe · 08-10-2005, 21:22

IMHO, OGG, but since the scene standard is VBR MP3, that's what a lot of my music is (stuff I've ripped myself is FLAC).

Flac is just as good as a CD, but more portable...

PropagandaX · 08-10-2005, 23:15

Everybody keeps mentioning VBR...variable bitrate..ok what advantages does this have over constant or average? I burn all of my mp3s to 320 bitrate and constant CBR. Flac files are just too big and I cannot tell the difference between the sound. I have 19 gigs of 320 CBR and flac would be space consuming.

Erasure4ever · 08-11-2005, 01:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by song.exe

Its lossless, meaning uncompressed. No quality loss when ripped from CD.

Uh no. There is lossy compression and there is lossless compression. Uncompressed is always lossless. FLAC is lossless compression meaning it occupies less space than uncompressed, but does not throw away any data.

Illuminant Frog · 08-11-2005, 02:04

Yeah, is 320 CBR Stereo LAME better than --alt preset extreme? I.E Joint-Stereo Mid-High Quality Variable bit rate

08-10-2005, 18:23	#3
Frostmourne Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 149	Yes, I find OGG -q7 to be absolutely perfect for my ears. Quality 6 is okay too though. If you want to use MP3 used LAME's standard and extreme presets, becuase they are designed to be transparent with the smallest size possible. NEVER use WMA. __________________ Favorite bands: Rammstein, Iron Maiden, Radiohead, Metallica, Megadeth, Opeth, and Slayer

08-10-2005, 19:48	#7
Pete7874 X5 killa Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 738	At low bitrates, say 64 to 128 kbps, ogg sounds much better than mp3 of the same bitrates, and if the bitrates are the same, then the file size is the same. Once you get above 192 kbps, especially VBR, there isn't that much difference between the two in terms of sound quality, at least IMO. As far as 192 kbps mp3 being that much better than 128 kpbs mp3 - it's up to you. If you hear a big difference, then to you it is. For me, the difference is big. I can't stand a 128 kbps mp3. On the other hand, a 128 kbps ogg is quite OK. __________________ X5 20GB + Shure E2C

08-10-2005, 19:57	#8
aindfan Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 163	Is there a battery life toll if one uses FLAC instead of LAME CBR? Thanks! __________________ Personal Audio player history: 5 different tape players (each destroyed in its own year of camp), Sony Discman, Sony ATRAC3 CD player, iRiver H320, iAudio X5 Music organization: lame -V 2 --vbr-new in Music/Artist/Album/## Name.mp3 DISCLAIMER: The above post is stated to the best of my knowledge and I take no responsibility for what you do (with the information posted). I got tired of writing this in every post where I give hardware advice.

08-10-2005, 23:15	#13
PropagandaX Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Everybody keeps mentioning VBR...variable bitrate..ok what advantages does this have over constant or average? I burn all of my mp3s to 320 bitrate and constant CBR. Flac files are just too big and I cannot tell the difference between the sound. I have 19 gigs of 320 CBR and flac would be space consuming. __________________ President of the Sticky Zcover Support Group

08-11-2005, 02:04	#15
Illuminant Frog Glowing Goodness Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ye olde' land of Oz Posts: 130	Yeah, is 320 CBR Stereo LAME better than --alt preset extreme? I.E Joint-Stereo Mid-High Quality Variable bit rate __________________ If common sense is so common, then why does no one have it?

08-10-2005, 17:30	#1
jhcodafa Guest Posts: n/a	mp3,ogg,wma etc.. and at what bitrate? Also whats the best file quality that exists .. someone told me its the acc/ma4 that apple/itunes uses is that true?

08-10-2005, 18:21	#2
Caravaggio Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Catacombs of Nephren-Ka Posts: 88	Flac. I use level 8, but the difference in compression size is negligable from 6-8. For lossy files, I find ogg at q7 to be transparent.

08-10-2005, 18:35	#4
Barry Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 17	Interesting, while I am currently using Ogg level 6, I have always found WMA 192 to be far more musical than lame alt preset anything. To me, lame is somehow more atificial than WMA.

08-10-2005, 19:00	#5
song.exe Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 165	FLAC...it's lossless.

08-10-2005, 19:27	#6
jawaknight01 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 21	How does the file compression size of Ogg compare to MP3; also, is MP3 192 bitrate that much better than 128?

08-10-2005, 20:15	#9
song.exe Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 165	Its lossless, meaning uncompressed. No quality loss when ripped from CD.

08-10-2005, 20:20	#10
jhcodafa Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks, whats the best lossy? ogg or mp3 also i will be getting some legal songs from my friend, who uses acc. any tips on how to keep a steady sound quality

08-10-2005, 20:20	#11
HyperLittleOne Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 43	I use CD...but then again it's not compatible with the X5

08-10-2005, 21:22	#12
song.exe Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 165	IMHO, OGG, but since the scene standard is VBR MP3, that's what a lot of my music is (stuff I've ripped myself is FLAC). Flac is just as good as a CD, but more portable...

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