HDD upgrading : new toshiba 1.8'' HDDs ?! - Page 2

usul · 12-01-2009, 03:18

Thx for you reply, I'll try that this evening...

But I think it's kind of a compatibility issue there (IDE SATA3/4 vs IDE SATA 7) as windows won't even want to format it (i know it wouldn't be good but though it seems not be really recognized...)

Maybe 1231 is not a good choice after all ^^'

i2van · 12-01-2009, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by usul

Thx for you reply, I'll try that this evening...

But I think it's kind of a compatibility issue there (IDE SATA3/4 vs IDE SATA 7) as windows won't even want to format it (i know it wouldn't be good but though it seems not be really recognized...)

Maybe 1231 is not a good choice after all ^^'

http://ath-i.blogspot.com/2008/05/at...-to-100gb.html

Is A3 visible as USB HDD drive?

usul · 12-02-2009, 04:43

I've seen the A2 workout...but there's the connecting issue there we don't have with the IDE/ZIF in the A3 (maybe the problem is that all IDE/ZIF aren't the same : cf ATA3/4 and ATA7) : I wouldn't go in such extreme wiring and stuff myself ^^

About windows, it "sounds" when i connect the A3 with the 120gb hdd, i can see the letter in the explorer, it even ask to format...which I tried and gave up because it took ages to get the window and it didn't really launch any formating (just to try)

I even got a size of the HDD with a right click....but got (once) a size of 25 gb or something...

I've seen it in the disk manager too with wrong size and no partition of course (in black)

I'm under win 7 64 bits btw. I tried under xp but didn't get any better (fat32format gave me a different message : "can't find device geometry")

So I think it's a compatibility problem between A3 and the HDD (which bears the apple mark on it ^^).

With these issues, i feel that linux won't help and i have to say it looks really complicated for a non linux user like me to do it even with the tuto...

usul · 12-04-2009, 08:01

Ok. I tried gparted, fat32format and I can't get any result : they don't see the HDD (even if the A3 is shown in the lists of devices in this progs...)

My guess is that this HDD is one for ipods (the apple is shown on it) and then is locked and can't be formatted...

So I have to find a 1231gal non-"apple prepared" (if it exists. But there are some pics of 1231 without the apple, so...). But maybe it won't work either...

Anyway I can't find how to format that beast, i can't find anything on google to over ride this lock...too bad !

abyss x · 12-05-2009, 15:19

Have u tried via Disc Management from my computer (right clicked)?

usul · 12-07-2009, 05:19

Yes i have !

I really tried what i could do...and i've even asked gadgetdoctor.com about this issue and they told me they never succeded in overiding the apple partitioning neither...

So I have sent back the HDD and plan to buy one without an apple on it !

Still risky about the compatibility but i'll give it a try

abyss x · 12-07-2009, 06:17

Good luck on that!.. i wonder whats the point of creating an HDD that cannot be formatted.. =-(

i2van · 12-08-2009, 17:22

I tried latest GParted (0.5.0-3). It sees my Cowon A3 30GB HDD, but shows it as unallocated. I think we should find a right tool first...

Have you tried HDClone Free Edition? At least it started coping from my A3 to image file.

How migration could be done:

Copy content of old drive to image.
Change drive to new one.
Copy image created earlier to a new drive.

If utility sees new drive it will work.

P.S. I don't believe that HDD is locked for iPod.

stow · 12-09-2009, 10:41

Have you seen my guide to changing the A2 drive?

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16721

usul · 12-12-2009, 09:31

I have sent back the HDD and I found on ebay "non apple" mk1231gal (i asked the vendor)

I found several sources about the apple partitionning and no one could format it except from a device which could detect it at first (ie which works like an ipod...)

But now i'll wait first to get my money back and order a good HDD later...

i2van · 12-12-2009, 14:06

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25552

There is a report about successfully upgrading to Samsumg HS082HB 80GB 8MB 4200RPM

Has anyone successfully upgraded HDD? thread.

Maybe MK8025GAL will work?

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpo...0&postcount=77

i2van · 12-14-2009, 17:16

Looks like MK1231GAL is not compatible with A3; MK1214GAH is compatible (but too thick). I think that the problem is in supported interface standards and bytes per sector:

MK1231GAL

ATA-3
ATA-4

Bytes/sector

Host

512

Disk

4,096

MK1214GAH

ATA-3
ATA-4
ATA-5
ATA-6
ATA-7

Bytes/sector

512

Other presumably supported or used in A3 drives have the same characteristics as MK1214GAH.

otterpopjunkie · 12-14-2009, 20:51

That's odd, if the A3 uses ATA6 or something I thought that was backward compatible with ATA3 and 4.

I wouldn't be surprised if the bytes per sector is the problem, but that can be changed with a format I believe. 512 is standard for Fat32. Of course, I can't try any of this at the moment so I really don't know. Do you have a hard drive on hand to try this i2van or was that information from somewhere else?

i2van · 12-15-2009, 01:58

It's only assumptions I made from reading posts about upgrading HDDs in some mobile devices, so I can't be sure.

I though about MK1231GAL from Transcend HDD bay, but now I will look for more suitable device (it might be Samsung).

Bytes per sector is physical, not logical parameter. It prevents, for example, from using MK1231GAL in Aspire One netbook. Other mentioned drives work well.

usul · 12-17-2009, 03:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by otterpopjunkie

That's odd, if the A3 uses ATA6 or something I thought that was backward compatible with ATA3 and 4.

That's what i bet on when ordering a 1231gal, after reading wiki and stuffs about ata (which is a complicated problem obviously : which way the compatibility goes backward ? the device or the HDD ?...)

Unfortunately I couldn't really test it because of the "apple" problem. But moreover, you can't find two similar piece of info about the ATA used by a HDD as you find many different stuff on the net, even on different toshiba pages... (PATA, ATA 3/4, ATA 7....)

12-05-2009, 15:19	#20
abyss x Not trying to be the best.. It comes out naturally Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Israel Posts: 633	Have u tried via Disc Management from my computer (right clicked)? __________________ Proud owner of Cowon A3 60 GB - FW 1.27Q Proud owner of AKG-K412P headphones Proud owner of AKG-K315 earphones Last edited by abyss x; 12-09-2009 at 20:53..

12-07-2009, 06:17	#22
abyss x Not trying to be the best.. It comes out naturally Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Israel Posts: 633	Good luck on that!.. i wonder whats the point of creating an HDD that cannot be formatted.. =-( __________________ Proud owner of Cowon A3 60 GB - FW 1.27Q Proud owner of AKG-K412P headphones Proud owner of AKG-K315 earphones Last edited by abyss x; 12-09-2009 at 06:03..

12-08-2009, 17:22	#23
i2van Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kyyv, Ukraine Posts: 17	I tried latest GParted (0.5.0-3). It sees my Cowon A3 30GB HDD, but shows it as unallocated. I think we should find a right tool first... Have you tried HDClone Free Edition? At least it started coping from my A3 to image file. How migration could be done: Copy content of old drive to image. Change drive to new one. Copy image created earlier to a new drive. If utility sees new drive it will work. P.S. I don't believe that HDD is locked for iPod. Last edited by i2van; 12-08-2009 at 17:56..

12-09-2009, 10:41	#24
stow Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 138	Have you seen my guide to changing the A2 drive? http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16721 __________________ Sig removed, spam is not allowed.

12-12-2009, 14:06	#26
i2van Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kyyv, Ukraine Posts: 17	http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25552 There is a report about successfully upgrading to Samsumg HS082HB 80GB 8MB 4200RPM Has anyone successfully upgraded HDD? thread. Maybe MK8025GAL will work? http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpo...0&postcount=77 Last edited by i2van; 12-12-2009 at 14:46..

12-01-2009, 03:18	#16
usul weirdo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France Posts: 76	Thx for you reply, I'll try that this evening... But I think it's kind of a compatibility issue there (IDE SATA3/4 vs IDE SATA 7) as windows won't even want to format it (i know it wouldn't be good but though it seems not be really recognized...) Maybe 1231 is not a good choice after all ^^'

12-02-2009, 04:43	#18
usul weirdo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France Posts: 76	I've seen the A2 workout...but there's the connecting issue there we don't have with the IDE/ZIF in the A3 (maybe the problem is that all IDE/ZIF aren't the same : cf ATA3/4 and ATA7) : I wouldn't go in such extreme wiring and stuff myself ^^ About windows, it "sounds" when i connect the A3 with the 120gb hdd, i can see the letter in the explorer, it even ask to format...which I tried and gave up because it took ages to get the window and it didn't really launch any formating (just to try) I even got a size of the HDD with a right click....but got (once) a size of 25 gb or something... I've seen it in the disk manager too with wrong size and no partition of course (in black) I'm under win 7 64 bits btw. I tried under xp but didn't get any better (fat32format gave me a different message : "can't find device geometry") So I think it's a compatibility problem between A3 and the HDD (which bears the apple mark on it ^^). With these issues, i feel that linux won't help and i have to say it looks really complicated for a non linux user like me to do it even with the tuto...

12-04-2009, 08:01	#19
usul weirdo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France Posts: 76	Ok. I tried gparted, fat32format and I can't get any result : they don't see the HDD (even if the A3 is shown in the lists of devices in this progs...) My guess is that this HDD is one for ipods (the apple is shown on it) and then is locked and can't be formatted... So I have to find a 1231gal non-"apple prepared" (if it exists. But there are some pics of 1231 without the apple, so...). But maybe it won't work either... Anyway I can't find how to format that beast, i can't find anything on google to over ride this lock...too bad !

12-07-2009, 05:19	#21
usul weirdo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France Posts: 76	Yes i have ! I really tried what i could do...and i've even asked gadgetdoctor.com about this issue and they told me they never succeded in overiding the apple partitioning neither... So I have sent back the HDD and plan to buy one without an apple on it ! Still risky about the compatibility but i'll give it a try

12-12-2009, 09:31	#25
usul weirdo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: France Posts: 76	I have sent back the HDD and I found on ebay "non apple" mk1231gal (i asked the vendor) I found several sources about the apple partitionning and no one could format it except from a device which could detect it at first (ie which works like an ipod...) But now i'll wait first to get my money back and order a good HDD later...

12-14-2009, 17:16	#27
i2van Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kyyv, Ukraine Posts: 17	Looks like MK1231GAL is not compatible with A3; MK1214GAH is compatible (but too thick). I think that the problem is in supported interface standards and bytes per sector: MK1231GAL ATA-3 ATA-4 Bytes/sector Host 512 Disk 4,096 MK1214GAH ATA-3 ATA-4 ATA-5 ATA-6 ATA-7 Bytes/sector 512 Other presumably supported or used in A3 drives have the same characteristics as MK1214GAH.

12-14-2009, 20:51	#28
otterpopjunkie SUPER MEMBER! Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	That's odd, if the A3 uses ATA6 or something I thought that was backward compatible with ATA3 and 4. I wouldn't be surprised if the bytes per sector is the problem, but that can be changed with a format I believe. 512 is standard for Fat32. Of course, I can't try any of this at the moment so I really don't know. Do you have a hard drive on hand to try this i2van or was that information from somewhere else? __________________ -otterpopjunkie www.otterpops.tk Cowon A3 60GB + Audio-Technica ANC7 QuietPoint headphones $1.55 COWON A3 Screen Protector here! Feelin' ballsy? Replace HDD with CF or SD card: CF to Zif board, SD to CF adapter, 8GB 133x CF card

12-15-2009, 01:58	#29
i2van Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Kyyv, Ukraine Posts: 17	It's only assumptions I made from reading posts about upgrading HDDs in some mobile devices, so I can't be sure. I though about MK1231GAL from Transcend HDD bay, but now I will look for more suitable device (it might be Samsung). Bytes per sector is physical, not logical parameter. It prevents, for example, from using MK1231GAL in Aspire One netbook. Other mentioned drives work well.

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