Firmware Upgrades.

hugocorreia · 11-08-2009, 11:06

When I was about to buy my S9, I was very tempted by the Samsung P3, because of it's features, but the S9 won because of the AMOLED, and the SQ.
I've seen that Cowon seems to listen it's consumers, for exemple, the Gapless, which was implemented by a Firmware Upgrade, and the Hunter Game.

One function I would love to see on the S9, is the pairing with a cell phone, which the P3 has: "No more wires. Really. The P3 with Bluetooth+EDR lets you take or make calls without taking your cell out. Wirelessly listen to music in your car, on your cell phone, even play games. Transferring photos and music files is faster too. So stay connected without having to be connected."
The S9 has bluetooth and a mic, so it could have this function. Another feature Cowon could do with bluetooth, is file transferring, what you have in every cellphone.

Other minor features I think are very good, are the Maps, the Sudoku game(which should be very simple for Cowon to make), and the ability to read text in the horizontal position.

One thing I miss on the S9, is a separate menu for Podcasts, and the ability to play video Podcasts. It would be beautiful to do this on the S9!!

If the S9 had this features, it would be perfect for me.

One thing I don't understand, but I don't know if it can be added by firmware, is the screen being capacitive, but not having multitouch, but I thing it can't be added.

Sorry me for any english mistakes, I'm Brazilian

Mr. Popo · 11-08-2009, 16:40

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia

One function I would love to see on the S9, is the pairing with a cell phone, which the P3 has: "No more wires. Really. The P3 with Bluetooth+EDR lets you take or make calls without taking your cell out. Wirelessly listen to music in your car, on your cell phone, even play games. Transferring photos and music files is faster too. So stay connected without having to be connected."
The S9 has bluetooth and a mic, so it could have this function. Another feature Cowon could do with bluetooth, is file transferring, what you have in every cellphone.

I would like this too, but i doubt it will happen, sorry

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia

Other minor features I think are very good, are the Maps, the Sudoku game(which should be very simple for Cowon to make), and the ability to read text in the horizontal position.

as for this all of this can or has been added by flash devs here on the forum, you just have to look

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia

One thing I don't understand, but I don't know if it can be added by firmware, is the screen being capacitive, but not having multitouch, but I thing it can't be added.

it would be nice, however as far as i know it is a hardware issue, not a software issue. dont expect cowon to conform to what apple does, capacitive and multi touch are two unrelated things, and arent a package deal, the icrap happens to have both, but most things that work properly dont

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia

Sorry me for any english mistakes, I'm Brazilian

dont worry its fine for the most part

hugocorreia · 11-08-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia
Other minor features I think are very good, are the Maps, the Sudoku game(which should be very simple for Cowon to make), and the ability to read text in the horizontal position.
as for this all of this can or has been added by flash devs here on the forum, you just have to look

I tried once a maps 'app' for the D2, it seemed very good, but didin't worked on the S9. I have found flash Sudoku games, but they were like a vertical picture in a horizontal screen, wasn't very good. I've read about the horizontal reading, but couldn't manage to find the right UI.

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia
One thing I don't understand, but I don't know if it can be added by firmware, is the screen being capacitive, but not having multitouch, but I thing it can't be added.
it would be nice, however as far as i know it is a hardware issue, not a software issue. dont expect cowon to conform to what apple does, capacitive and multi touch are two unrelated things, and arent a package deal, the icrap happens to have both, but most things that work properly dont

Yeah, it can be separated, but usually, touchscreens with multitouch - capacitive, no multitouch - resistive.
It would be nice to have multitouch, but, as long as the S9 is a superb MP3, not an iToy, that's not very big deal for me.

But my main point here is that I think Cowon tries to improve it's players, so, we have to 'tell them the path'.

Mr. Popo · 11-08-2009, 20:11

yes, most screens that are multi touch are capacitive, but most capacitive screens are not multitouch, kinda like the relationship between a square and a rectangle ya know?

da1writer · 11-08-2009, 22:50

...
*Drops and shakes head*
I know your new and apologize upfront for what I'm going to say but...
How many of these stupid posts are going to pop up?
Don't we ALREADY have other posts like this one, especially a really long one I'm too lazy to point out.

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One function I would love to see on the S9, is the pairing with a cell phone, which the P3 has: "No more wires. Really. The P3 with Bluetooth+EDR lets you take or make calls without taking your cell out. Wirelessly listen to music in your car, on your cell phone, even play games. Transferring photos and music files is faster too. So stay connected without having to be connected."
The S9 has bluetooth and a mic, so it could have this function. Another feature Cowon could do with bluetooth, is file transferring, what you have in every cellphone.

This has been mentioned tons of time and asked many times as well, and I'm kinda sick of it already. It's almost as bad as people crying about wishing the Cowon S9 had wifi. In all honesty, I wish Cowon had just not included bluetooth in the Cowon S9. They only put it in there to appease the ones who wanted to use Bluetoth headphones. Of course, no one can be satisfied with that now right? Since it is Bluetooth people want file transfers and being able to use it with a phone and tons of other wacky things. It literally makes me hate Bluetooth... Why was I born in the world during the time when this technology was created...

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Other minor features I think are very good, are the Maps, the Sudoku game(which should be very simple for Cowon to make), and the ability to read text in the horizontal position.

You can read text in horizontal position already with Klause's/Adapa Text Viewer app. This device doesn't have wifi or a GPS unit inside but you can save maps and put them on the s9 to be viewed through the picture viewer or Cowon Subway app in 1.XX firmware. There is also a sudoku game already in my Games and Apps sticky... I do apologize if you meant you are happy that you can do these things.

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One thing I miss on the S9, is a separate menu for Podcasts, and the ability to play video Podcasts. It would be beautiful to do this on the S9!!

MYpodder works well on the Cowon S9 but I'm kinda advanced a bit in computers and I'm able to save my podcasts as mp3 files and video podcasts as a XVID file.

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If the S9 had this features, it would be perfect for me.

It already is thanks to Cowon's Firmware updates and this communities contributions (Claw, dnw, etc.). I'm sorry that this isn't to your expectations of the P3 or Ipod Touch...

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One thing I don't understand, but I don't know if it can be added by firmware, is the screen being capacitive, but not having multitouch, but I thing it can't be added.

Apple, Apple, Apple... Multitouch is patented for their device only right now (ie only device that has the feature/functionality) and the device has to have certain parts to add the feature anyway - Cowon did not. If they grab a dev though that can do it software based, that'd be awesome but don't hold your breath. We can't even get them to upgrade the Flash on the device...

Again though, I'm sorry for all I wrote and don't mean to hurt your feelings or to be taken the wrong way. I'm really a nice guy on this forum and do welcome you to it, it's just that I'm so aggravated in seeing these type of threads pop up so often...

lane32x · 11-08-2009, 23:42

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Originally Posted by da1writer

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Apple, Apple, Apple... Multitouch is patented for their device only and the device has to have certain parts to add the feature anyway - Cowon did not. If they grab a dev though that can do it software based, that'd be awesome but don't hold your breath. We can't even get them to upgrade the Flash on the device...

Hmm. if multitouch is patented for apple devices only, then why has multitouch been in use for years before apple ever thought to put it on a portable device?

And why is the Micosoft Surface allowed to exist?

da1writer · 11-09-2009, 07:16

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Originally Posted by lane32x

Hmm. if multitouch is patented for apple devices only, then why has multitouch been in use for years before apple ever thought to put it on a portable device?

And why is the Micosoft Surface allowed to exist?

Misread my answer lane32x...
I did not say Apple is the only one who is allowed to do multitouch due to their patent, I said...

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Multitouch is patented for their device only

ie it's the only handheld device that has a patent for Multitouch, Fingerworks is the company they grabbed. I'll edit my post to say this I guess but it still doesn't deviate though that I've already talked about why multitouch is not in the Cowon S9 before (last sentence directed to OP, not you lane32x).
http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpo...77&postcount=4

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Multi-touch may be patented by Apple but that doesn't mean other devices can't grab a "version" from other companies.
Apple grabbed Fingerworks but there are other companies out there with their own type of version of Multitouch (ie N-trig, etc.).
If Cowon wanted/wants multitouch on the Cowon S9 or any future device, they can merely just contact the other Multi-touch providers (exception to Fingerworks).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

That's why I also said this...

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If they grab a dev though that can do it software based, that'd be awesome but don't hold your breath.

Besides the Ipod Touch and Iphone, I honestly believe there is no other HANDHELD device (MP3 player wise) out there with multitouch capabilities. Either people are afraid that if they did try to do multitouch Apple will give them a thumpin in court or no one has bothered trying to contact other company's for multitouch functionality in their devices. Cowon didn't and could easily through software bases, but if we can't get Flash 7 upgraded I don't see us getting multitouch...

tirim4 · 11-09-2009, 08:18

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Originally Posted by da1writer

Besides the Ipod Touch and Iphone, I honestly believe there is no other HANDHELD device (MP3 player wise) out there with multitouch capabilities.

Im not sure if you exclude phones, but as you mention iPhone I have to say that the HTC Hero with android supports multitouch.

But as allready stated in this thread, most gadgets with capasitive screens doesnt support mult touch.

EDIT: I belive the european version of Motorola DROID supports multi touch too, but theres no such function in the US beacuse of the patent thing I think.

number5toad · 11-09-2009, 11:37

multitouch requires both software support and hardware support - in other words, the screen itself needs to be able to register and interpret multiple touches

I don't know whether or not the S9 screen is multitouch capable, but my guess would be no

lane32x · 11-09-2009, 13:21

yeah. i just looked into it. but Apple only got the patent earlier this year.
I hate the U.S. patent system. My acer laptop that i bought in 2008 supports multitouch since it has a synaptics touchpad built in (not that I have it enabled). I wonder how costly it is to license the use of multitouch from crApple

hugocorreia · 11-09-2009, 13:58

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Originally Posted by nickrv8

yes, most screens that are multi touch are capacitive, but most capacitive screens are not multitouch, kinda like the relationship between a square and a rectangle ya know?

Yes, that's a good analogy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by da1writer

...
*Drops and shakes head*
I know your new and apologize upfront for what I'm going to say but...
How many of these stupid posts are going to pop up?
Don't we ALREADY have other posts like this one, especially a really long one I'm too lazy to point out.

I'm sorry about that, but I insist in my point here, that we could at least try to get Cowon's attention.

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Originally Posted by da1writer

This device doesn't have wifi or a GPS unit inside but you can save maps and put them on the s9 to be viewed through the picture viewer or Cowon Subway app in 1.XX firmware.

It's wierd the fact that they took out this app, and, unless I downgrade my Firmware, I can't get this.

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Originally Posted by da1writer

MYpodder works well on the Cowon S9 but I'm kinda advanced a bit in computers and I'm able to save my podcasts as mp3 files and video podcasts as a XVID file.

Good thing you can do this, but I, as other users can't. You do this by yourself, it's not a standard feature. If you could help me with that, I'd be glad.

I'm not complaining about the S9, I just think that we can try to make it better. You see, it seems like S9's screen doesn't support multitouch, but, if we possibly had this, it wouldn't bother you, would it? But I and others miss such features.
Again, I'm pretty satisfied with S9, but I think it could be even better.

hugocorreia · 11-09-2009, 14:03

Like you said, da1writer, Cowon could have put multitouch on S9, but they didn't. I don't think it's because the patent, because they could do like motorola, as tirim4 said. Here in Brazil, the Droid will have multitouch.
Ok, Cowon didn't put, it's not possible anymore, I'll not talk about it again.

Duke_Lukem · 11-09-2009, 14:07

doesn't the zune HD have multitouch?

mivec · 11-09-2009, 16:24

it has multitouch dude

Mr. Popo · 11-09-2009, 16:25

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Originally Posted by hugocorreia

It's wierd the fact that they took out this app, and, unless I downgrade my Firmware, I can't get this.

this isnt a firmware issue, its a flash app that you can download somewhere on the forums, again, you just have to look

11-08-2009, 11:06	#1
hugocorreia The S9'er. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Brasilia, Brazil Posts: 11	Firmware Upgrades. When I was about to buy my S9, I was very tempted by the Samsung P3, because of it's features, but the S9 won because of the AMOLED, and the SQ. I've seen that Cowon seems to listen it's consumers, for exemple, the Gapless, which was implemented by a Firmware Upgrade, and the Hunter Game. One function I would love to see on the S9, is the pairing with a cell phone, which the P3 has: "No more wires. Really. The P3 with Bluetooth+EDR lets you take or make calls without taking your cell out. Wirelessly listen to music in your car, on your cell phone, even play games. Transferring photos and music files is faster too. So stay connected without having to be connected." The S9 has bluetooth and a mic, so it could have this function. Another feature Cowon could do with bluetooth, is file transferring, what you have in every cellphone. Other minor features I think are very good, are the Maps, the Sudoku game(which should be very simple for Cowon to make), and the ability to read text in the horizontal position. One thing I miss on the S9, is a separate menu for Podcasts, and the ability to play video Podcasts. It would be beautiful to do this on the S9!! If the S9 had this features, it would be perfect for me. One thing I don't understand, but I don't know if it can be added by firmware, is the screen being capacitive, but not having multitouch, but I thing it can't be added. Sorry me for any english mistakes, I'm Brazilian Last edited by hugocorreia; 11-08-2009 at 12:46..

11-08-2009, 20:11	#4
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lane32x Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 788	yeah. i just looked into it. but Apple only got the patent earlier this year. I hate the U.S. patent system. My acer laptop that i bought in 2008 supports multitouch since it has a synaptics touchpad built in (not that I have it enabled). I wonder how costly it is to license the use of multitouch from crApple __________________ Cowon S9 {dap} Infinity Kappa {car speakers} Monster Turbines & Sennheiser px100 {awesome} (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") This bunny wishes it was as cool as Petra's dragon signature.

11-09-2009, 14:03	#12
hugocorreia The S9'er. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Brasilia, Brazil Posts: 11	Like you said, da1writer, Cowon could have put multitouch on S9, but they didn't. I don't think it's because the patent, because they could do like motorola, as tirim4 said. Here in Brazil, the Droid will have multitouch. Ok, Cowon didn't put, it's not possible anymore, I'll not talk about it again. __________________ Union makes the power! Old: 80GB iPod Classic --> Sold 2nd Gen Zune 120 -> Sold Currently: 32GB Cowon S9 and Audio Tehcnica CKM-50 Christmas Wishlist: Clip+, Samsung P3, Sony S Series. Klipsch Image S4, Sony EX700, Alessandro M1.

11-09-2009, 14:07	#13
Duke_Lukem Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eau Claire, WI Posts: 36	doesn't the zune HD have multitouch? __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."-Thomas Paine Duke Lukem

11-09-2009, 11:37	#9
number5toad old guy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Crooklyn, NY Posts: 735	multitouch requires both software support and hardware support - in other words, the screen itself needs to be able to register and interpret multiple touches I don't know whether or not the S9 screen is multitouch capable, but my guess would be no

11-09-2009, 16:24	#14
mivec Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 13	it has multitouch dude

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