D2 vs. Clix2 from me, an actual user of both.

LukesRamen · 08-31-2007, 03:20

As everyone already knows... people nearly drive themselves crazy wondering

"What's better? D2 or Clix2?"

but now, after owning a D2, and borrowing my friend's Clix2 for a week, I can FIRMLY CONCLUDE that the D2 is better all-around.

THE SCREEN:

A big issue in this comparision. the 260k color AMOLED vs. the 16m color touchscreen LCD. Some may think that touchscreens are not as quality as dedicated screens, and this is true with the Nintendo DS, but NOT with the D2. Both screens are crystal clear and razor sharp, so the only comparison left to ponder, is COLOR. Color on the AMOLED is boosted urealistically. Reds burn your eyes, and yellows blind you. On the D2, colors are reproduced MUCH more realistically and efficiently. The major winning point for the D2 here is... GRADIENTS!!! the Clix2 cann't display gradients or fades worth crap. PERIOD.

THE SOUND:

SRS WOW HD on the clix2 is decent, but BBE surpasses it BY FAR. D2 wins no question. Wondering about the Clix2's user EQ? Don't bother. It sounds horrible and muddy.

THE PERFORMANCE:

Both players do pretty much the exact same things, but there are minor differences. D2 wins in music fo' sho. D2 takes the video trophy too, cuz even though it has an LCD which reacts slightly slower than AMOLED, the realistic color reproduction makes up for it. On the D2, in the movie 300, when the Persian messenger is coming to Sparta, it actually looks like they're galloping over the sunset horizon. On the Clix2, it looks like they're riding strange black objects drowning in urine. Both 30 fps too, so D2 wins. Pictures, D2 wins because of the GRADIENTS thing and the zoom feature. and the fact that every picture doesn't HAVE to be 320 x 240. VERY convinient. And flash lite... what can i say?... the Clix2 got its butt wooped by a newbie. Flash games run more smoothly on the D2, and because it's a touchscreen, it is compatible with MANY, MANY more games. and since all the other features are pretty equal, it's obvious what wins here. the D2. although i do smack the D2 in the face a few times for making Log Jam impossible...

THE DESIGN:

kinda ambiguous here... the Clix2 would be describes as "sexy" but the D2 would be described as "cool." personally, i like "cool" better, so the D2 wins for me. This part is really personal preference. and the Clix2's smallness is quite convinient, but the fact that the D-Click can break anytime just kills it.

THE USE:

One annoyance of the D2 is that it takes a LOT of tapping to from point A to point B. The clix2 only takes a few clicks, so it obviously wins in "ease of use." but what about OUTSIDE the player?... syncing with the PC or MAC? D2 wins hands down. Why you ask? Both players can switch between MTP or MSC, but MSC on the Clix2 is nearly worthless. ID3 tags cannot be read when on MSC, and there are other folder browsing annoyances. The D2 always reads ID3 tags no matter what mode, and it's easy to use both ways, unlike the Clix2's syncing with WMP11... i just can't stand it...

THE BATTERY LIFE:

D2 clearly wins. and to help it win even more, SRS WOW HD drains battery like a black hole drains planets. BBE sounds better and doesn't have as big of an effect on the battery life. D2 + BBE =

for hours, and hours, and hours, and hours......

THE CUSTOMIZATION:

People say the Clix2 wins here, but i say it's a draw. Both players can be customized down to every single teeny tiny icon, just in different ways. Clix2 uses flash lite, and D2 uses .tga files in photoshop. Different methods, same results, DRAW.

THE EXCESS:

D2 has dictionary, cowon paint, and regular/scientific calculators. All extras that the Clix2 doesn't have.
WOOPS! forgot to mention SD card memory expansion... a HUGE advantage for those who have lotsa media

Well... there ya have it. In those categories, the D2 wins every single one. Now it's all up to YOU.

ManchesterBaby · 08-31-2007, 07:33

I never realised the Clix2 wouldn't read tags in MSC mode. This is a major bonus for me in the D2. Admittedly the D2 didn't do that either when i bought it... (It's also probably the source of most of the firmware bugs in the D2, but that seems less bad when you consider it's a feature that most players don't have, and additionally the D2 wasn't advertised as having (at least not back in march anyway...)...)

The SD card (and battery life) was what made me choose the D2 over the Clix2 however as it gives the player a certain amount of future-proofing. I was suprised you didn't mention the SD expandability...

RCXIII · 08-31-2007, 08:29

Sexy > Cool any day. And who really needs dictionary, paint and calculator on your mp3 player. Its nice to have but when your comparing mp3 players... I guess but no one should take it seriously. I'm a D2 owner but seems your comparisons a wittle biased.

almightyzues · 08-31-2007, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCXIII

And who really needs dictionary, paint and calculator on your mp3 player. Its nice to have but when your comparing mp3 players...

uh.. i actually use my paint application when im on the pooper.
and for the calculator, i used it once to add up all the tickets that the cop gave me.

So. Yeah.

Good Review, D2 is by far better.

RCXIII · 08-31-2007, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by almightyzues

uh.. i actually use my paint application when im on the pooper.
and for the calculator, i used it once to add up all the tickets that the cop gave me.

So. Yeah.

Good Review, D2 is by far better.

LOL... Oh wow.

orphannies · 08-31-2007, 11:37

I also own both. I got the D2 after getting the Clix 2nd generation because the flexibility of being able to expand my memory via SDHC. I like both to be honest. It just depends on what mood i'm in (tactile or touch screen).

The clix viewing angles is greater than the D2's and as mentioned by the original poster, is very bright. Doesn't blind me but it is bright which is fine with me

For SQ (i prefer my iAudio 7), gotta give it to the D2. But the WOW HD isn't so bad either.

I do love the bigger screen on the D2. I never new .3" would make a big difference, but when you have both players side by side you definitely notice it. And as we know the battery life on the D2 just kills the Clix. I don't like how both players require you to convert the videos though. Can't have everything I guess....

As for customization, I think the clix has the edge on the D2. Not only is the theme customizable, but also the font types (though not the colors) and the wallpapers. Most themes for the clix have rotating wallpapers, one for each day of the week. And another plus for the clix is the ability for creating a playlist (of course using iRiver plus 3) aside from the quick mode play list (which is similar to the dpl for the d2). The player also allows for ranking the songs ( 1 thru 4 stars) and being able to play the songs according to your rankings.

I've never really used either for flash games so I can't comment on that. But I do like the paint application, its more of a gimmick really, but a nice one at that.

Form factor, I do prefer the Clix over the D2. The clix is very sexy and sleek versus the D2 which has nice clean lines, but boxy imo.

Oh and one more thing, the Clix has a very nice little cradle, which I find very functional. Its got a built-in speaker and can also be used to charge the player when connected to a pc or ac adapter. The cradle itself has its own rechargable battery, so it doesn't drain the player's battery.

Overall they're both really good players. Each has qualities that I like.

Paul133 · 08-31-2007, 11:45

I've actually done fairly well on Log Jam. 22.56 is my highest, I believe (I don't know, because the D2 can't save!). Anyway, the Clix seems easier to use and more dedicated to its functions, while the D2 is much more scattershot, but more interesting. The D2 can do more, but it takes a bit more effort.

edit: I forgot. The reason I ultimately decided on a D2 was because it got FL support (games are fun) to 'match' the Clix2 and the SDHC expandability. I could not justify spending $200 on a player with 4 GB for eternity. But $180 on a player with 4 GB that can be expanded is more reasonable.

d88 · 08-31-2007, 18:12

nice review , did u mention the D2's expandable SD card slot ?

I only had 30 mins actual side by side comparison but basically came to the same conclusions you had . I liked the Clix 2 just felt the D2 was slightly superior

did you post this on the mysticriver site.... lol ?

LukesRamen · 08-31-2007, 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by d88

nice review , did u mention the D2's expandable SD card slot ?

I only had 30 mins actual side by side comparison but basically came to the same conclusions you had . I liked the Clix 2 just felt the D2 was slightly superior

did you post this on the mysticriver site.... lol ?

thanks!

and HAHA... i was thinking of letting some fellow iriver fans know my opinion, but i haven't done anything yet. I'm kinda scared to post this on misticriver actually...

Mr. Black · 08-31-2007, 19:06

Yeah, fanboys and fangirls don't like being criticised in any way, even if it is constructive. You would have gotten a bit of stick here if you posted that you felt the clix was better, but I don't know how severe because I don't really think we have to many fanatics here thankfully... I dislike fanatics.

Nice post btw, all that interested me was the screen comparison as I don't think anyone has reviewed these two side by side.

Cheers luke

globiboulga · 08-31-2007, 19:34

The way I read it it's a bit too much biaised to be posted on a river forum... Get the clix to at least win the customisation (It's not a draw here, imho, cause flash is easier to manipulate than tga files: D2 was certainly not meant to be modified).

Paul133 · 08-31-2007, 23:27

I actually have an account on misticriver or misticaudio I think. That was brought upon by these forums. I read about the firmware bugs and just said 'you know what? why did I decide on the D2 again? I'm gonan go check out the iRiver'. Expandability and the realization that the Cowon was not riddled with bugs, but just some annoyances and A/V sync would probably work with ffmpeg kiled that. That SDHC was a good move on Cowon's oart and a costly oversight for iRiver. But fanboys suck.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
"The D2's A/V is off and the formats don't agree.
Cowon and iRiver fanboys just fight constantly.
Cowon and their users each call the other losers
As Apple controls the market."

orphannies · 08-31-2007, 23:49

I'd be scared to post this on the misticriver or clixhere forum. I'm sure you'll get your share of disagreement as well as criticism about the D2. I've read a few threads comparing the D2 and Clix and it was just a never ending debate. Each side insisting on their player being better than the other.

Good luck to you if you decide to be brave and post it there though! lol

LukesRamen · 09-01-2007, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by orphannies

Good luck to you if you decide to be brave and post it there though! lol

haha thanks for the good luck...

buuuuut i won't be posting this anywhere else anytime soon

omega215A · 09-01-2007, 03:44

Did you use the User EQ settings for the IRiver Clix2? I never touched SRS on my H320 but I did use the Bass and Treble slider which made it sound great. Did the Clix2 have any of this or any EQ bands? IRivers tend to have a "warm" sound.

Plus you forgot about the games on the Clix2 that can be played using the D-click. Now did you watch any videos on both?

08-31-2007, 03:20	#1
LukesRamen WOWOWEEWOW Join Date: May 2007 Location: La Jolla, CA Posts: 786	D2 vs. Clix2 from me, an actual user of both. As everyone already knows... people nearly drive themselves crazy wondering "What's better? D2 or Clix2?" but now, after owning a D2, and borrowing my friend's Clix2 for a week, I can FIRMLY CONCLUDE that the D2 is better all-around. THE SCREEN: A big issue in this comparision. the 260k color AMOLED vs. the 16m color touchscreen LCD. Some may think that touchscreens are not as quality as dedicated screens, and this is true with the Nintendo DS, but NOT with the D2. Both screens are crystal clear and razor sharp, so the only comparison left to ponder, is COLOR. Color on the AMOLED is boosted urealistically. Reds burn your eyes, and yellows blind you. On the D2, colors are reproduced MUCH more realistically and efficiently. The major winning point for the D2 here is... GRADIENTS!!! the Clix2 cann't display gradients or fades worth crap. PERIOD. THE SOUND: SRS WOW HD on the clix2 is decent, but BBE surpasses it BY FAR. D2 wins no question. Wondering about the Clix2's user EQ? Don't bother. It sounds horrible and muddy. THE PERFORMANCE: Both players do pretty much the exact same things, but there are minor differences. D2 wins in music fo' sho. D2 takes the video trophy too, cuz even though it has an LCD which reacts slightly slower than AMOLED, the realistic color reproduction makes up for it. On the D2, in the movie 300, when the Persian messenger is coming to Sparta, it actually looks like they're galloping over the sunset horizon. On the Clix2, it looks like they're riding strange black objects drowning in urine. Both 30 fps too, so D2 wins. Pictures, D2 wins because of the GRADIENTS thing and the zoom feature. and the fact that every picture doesn't HAVE to be 320 x 240. VERY convinient. And flash lite... what can i say?... the Clix2 got its butt wooped by a newbie. Flash games run more smoothly on the D2, and because it's a touchscreen, it is compatible with MANY, MANY more games. and since all the other features are pretty equal, it's obvious what wins here. the D2. although i do smack the D2 in the face a few times for making Log Jam impossible... THE DESIGN: kinda ambiguous here... the Clix2 would be describes as "sexy" but the D2 would be described as "cool." personally, i like "cool" better, so the D2 wins for me. This part is really personal preference. and the Clix2's smallness is quite convinient, but the fact that the D-Click can break anytime just kills it. THE USE: One annoyance of the D2 is that it takes a LOT of tapping to from point A to point B. The clix2 only takes a few clicks, so it obviously wins in "ease of use." but what about OUTSIDE the player?... syncing with the PC or MAC? D2 wins hands down. Why you ask? Both players can switch between MTP or MSC, but MSC on the Clix2 is nearly worthless. ID3 tags cannot be read when on MSC, and there are other folder browsing annoyances. The D2 always reads ID3 tags no matter what mode, and it's easy to use both ways, unlike the Clix2's syncing with WMP11... i just can't stand it... THE BATTERY LIFE: D2 clearly wins. and to help it win even more, SRS WOW HD drains battery like a black hole drains planets. BBE sounds better and doesn't have as big of an effect on the battery life. D2 + BBE = for hours, and hours, and hours, and hours...... THE CUSTOMIZATION: People say the Clix2 wins here, but i say it's a draw. Both players can be customized down to every single teeny tiny icon, just in different ways. Clix2 uses flash lite, and D2 uses .tga files in photoshop. Different methods, same results, DRAW. THE EXCESS: D2 has dictionary, cowon paint, and regular/scientific calculators. All extras that the Clix2 doesn't have. WOOPS! forgot to mention SD card memory expansion... a HUGE advantage for those who have lotsa media Well... there ya have it. In those categories, the D2 wins every single one. Now it's all up to YOU. __________________ Computers: Acer Aspire One 522 / Gateway DX4831-01e Portable media: Cowon S9 / Sansa Fuze (RB) / Sansa Clip+ (RB) / Nintendo DSi Headphones: Denon AH-D1001 / AKG K 518 LE / Audio Technica ATH-CK7 Amplifiers: CMoyBB v2.03 / Fiio E5 Phone: LG VN270 Cosmos Touch Last edited by LukesRamen; 09-01-2007 at 14:42..

08-31-2007, 11:37	#6
orphannies Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 13	I also own both. I got the D2 after getting the Clix 2nd generation because the flexibility of being able to expand my memory via SDHC. I like both to be honest. It just depends on what mood i'm in (tactile or touch screen). The clix viewing angles is greater than the D2's and as mentioned by the original poster, is very bright. Doesn't blind me but it is bright which is fine with me For SQ (i prefer my iAudio 7), gotta give it to the D2. But the WOW HD isn't so bad either. I do love the bigger screen on the D2. I never new .3" would make a big difference, but when you have both players side by side you definitely notice it. And as we know the battery life on the D2 just kills the Clix. I don't like how both players require you to convert the videos though. Can't have everything I guess.... As for customization, I think the clix has the edge on the D2. Not only is the theme customizable, but also the font types (though not the colors) and the wallpapers. Most themes for the clix have rotating wallpapers, one for each day of the week. And another plus for the clix is the ability for creating a playlist (of course using iRiver plus 3) aside from the quick mode play list (which is similar to the dpl for the d2). The player also allows for ranking the songs ( 1 thru 4 stars) and being able to play the songs according to your rankings. I've never really used either for flash games so I can't comment on that. But I do like the paint application, its more of a gimmick really, but a nice one at that. Form factor, I do prefer the Clix over the D2. The clix is very sexy and sleek versus the D2 which has nice clean lines, but boxy imo. Oh and one more thing, the Clix has a very nice little cradle, which I find very functional. Its got a built-in speaker and can also be used to charge the player when connected to a pc or ac adapter. The cradle itself has its own rechargable battery, so it doesn't drain the player's battery. Overall they're both really good players. Each has qualities that I like. Last edited by orphannies; 08-31-2007 at 11:43..

08-31-2007, 11:45	#7
Paul133 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 73	I've actually done fairly well on Log Jam. 22.56 is my highest, I believe (I don't know, because the D2 can't save!). Anyway, the Clix seems easier to use and more dedicated to its functions, while the D2 is much more scattershot, but more interesting. The D2 can do more, but it takes a bit more effort. edit: I forgot. The reason I ultimately decided on a D2 was because it got FL support (games are fun) to 'match' the Clix2 and the SDHC expandability. I could not justify spending $200 on a player with 4 GB for eternity. But $180 on a player with 4 GB that can be expanded is more reasonable. __________________ 4 GB Black Cowon D2 (3.51b)

08-31-2007, 19:06	#10
Mr. Black ~~Title~~ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 404 Posts: 4,067	Yeah, fanboys and fangirls don't like being criticised in any way, even if it is constructive. You would have gotten a bit of stick here if you posted that you felt the clix was better, but I don't know how severe because I don't really think we have to many fanatics here thankfully... I dislike fanatics. Nice post btw, all that interested me was the screen comparison as I don't think anyone has reviewed these two side by side. Cheers luke __________________ Gone! Just like that!

08-31-2007, 23:27	#12
Paul133 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 73	I actually have an account on misticriver or misticaudio I think. That was brought upon by these forums. I read about the firmware bugs and just said 'you know what? why did I decide on the D2 again? I'm gonan go check out the iRiver'. Expandability and the realization that the Cowon was not riddled with bugs, but just some annoyances and A/V sync would probably work with ffmpeg kiled that. That SDHC was a good move on Cowon's oart and a costly oversight for iRiver. But fanboys suck. ------------------------------------------------------------------- "The D2's A/V is off and the formats don't agree. Cowon and iRiver fanboys just fight constantly. Cowon and their users each call the other losers As Apple controls the market." __________________ 4 GB Black Cowon D2 (3.51b)

08-31-2007, 07:33	#2
ManchesterBaby Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 240	I never realised the Clix2 wouldn't read tags in MSC mode. This is a major bonus for me in the D2. Admittedly the D2 didn't do that either when i bought it... (It's also probably the source of most of the firmware bugs in the D2, but that seems less bad when you consider it's a feature that most players don't have, and additionally the D2 wasn't advertised as having (at least not back in march anyway...)...) The SD card (and battery life) was what made me choose the D2 over the Clix2 however as it gives the player a certain amount of future-proofing. I was suprised you didn't mention the SD expandability...

08-31-2007, 08:29	#3
RCXIII Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 15	Sexy > Cool any day. And who really needs dictionary, paint and calculator on your mp3 player. Its nice to have but when your comparing mp3 players... I guess but no one should take it seriously. I'm a D2 owner but seems your comparisons a wittle biased.

08-31-2007, 18:12	#8
d88 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 134	nice review , did u mention the D2's expandable SD card slot ? I only had 30 mins actual side by side comparison but basically came to the same conclusions you had . I liked the Clix 2 just felt the D2 was slightly superior did you post this on the mysticriver site.... lol ?

08-31-2007, 19:34	#11
globiboulga Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 307	The way I read it it's a bit too much biaised to be posted on a river forum... Get the clix to at least win the customisation (It's not a draw here, imho, cause flash is easier to manipulate than tga files: D2 was certainly not meant to be modified).

08-31-2007, 23:49	#13
orphannies Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 13	I'd be scared to post this on the misticriver or clixhere forum. I'm sure you'll get your share of disagreement as well as criticism about the D2. I've read a few threads comparing the D2 and Clix and it was just a never ending debate. Each side insisting on their player being better than the other. Good luck to you if you decide to be brave and post it there though! lol

09-01-2007, 03:44	#15
omega215A Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 121	Did you use the User EQ settings for the IRiver Clix2? I never touched SRS on my H320 but I did use the Bass and Treble slider which made it sound great. Did the Clix2 have any of this or any EQ bands? IRivers tend to have a "warm" sound. Plus you forgot about the games on the Clix2 that can be played using the D-click. Now did you watch any videos on both?

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