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theoneovereight
10-12-2005, 14:55
So apple just released its new video ipod. It has 30g, video out, a 2.5inch screen with double the pixels....all for the same price as a 20g X5. So, is this better than the X5? The screen is better and has a TV out, but it also lacks the format support and possibly the sound and equalizer settings. You can also get more space cheaper. Ideas, comments?
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1315 for report.
This makes it difficult, for sure... especially at that price.
But the X5 still has a recorder, support of FLAC and OGG, and isn't tied to Itunes.... I'm on the fence myself.
Bah humbug-- now we can brag about the line-in recording, internal mic, fm tuner, fm recording, UMS, USB-OTG, ogg and flac support, better battery life, and better audio quality! :rolleyes:
It has a 2.5 inch screen, double the pixels and I'm sure it will be capable to play higher framerates than the X5 (X5 can only do 12-13 without being sluggish)... No FM Tuner or jetAudio...
Its 30 percent thinner. I rarely use USB OTG...I am sorry to say but I'D BE SOLD IF I DIDN'T BUY THE X5.
I feel like I wasted my money... only if i waited two months more
BirdFish
10-12-2005, 15:16
Some day you'll be glad you went with the X5 :)
The recording option is a big deal for me, cause I take music lessons and I absolutely need a recorder...
But yeah, USB on the go is hardly something to brag about. A handy feature I guess, but not earthshattering. And, let's face it, the Ipod's browsing features crush the X5.
As for the video... do you really need to buy TV reruns at $2 a pop? If so, you need help...
I'm still not impressed with this iPod. A brand new fully charged battery might be able to play a full length movie. After a couple months there's no chance given the iPod's battery quality. I also use the recording and USB-OTG features far more than I use video playback so I still have to say the X5's a step above the new iPod for me at least. This news has to be crushing for iRiver and Creative though. They are the companies we should be watching now as they scramble to develop new hd-based players to compete with the video pod. The H10 and Zen Sleek are now essentially worthless.
Any word on the new pod's battery life?
theoneovereight
10-12-2005, 15:41
14 hours, same as X5. Also, it does have an internal mic for recording, a lo and hi setting.
WHOA!? It does!? That may change my decision.... hmmmm... thanks 1/8!
Hmmmm... checked Apple's website. Doesn't say a thing about the Ipod recording... Where do you get your info?
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 16:26
it still doesn't play DRM WMA's. I have Yahoo so i can't get an iPod.
bojax... it's mentioned in the tech specs.
proximal
10-12-2005, 16:48
Any word on the new pod's battery life?
Fourteen or twenty hours for audio (30 and 60 gb respectively), 2-3 for video. Keep in mind the video is QVGA @ 30 fps, which is why the battery life is so short.
It only mentions the setting for low and hi quality. It must be for external voice recorders which have been available for the iPod for a long time. Looking at pictures the iPod has no internal mic itself yet.
Wow 30FPS... I seriously think this new Video iPod blows the X5 away now.
What do we have over the iPod now? FM Tuner, Backgrounds, Ability to slave over different DRM companies, USB OTG (It would have came handy if I didn't lose the damn cable), FM Recording, FLAC/OGG/WMA...
OH WAIT my X5 is a removable hard drive... THATS WHY I GOT THE THING!
proximal
10-12-2005, 16:59
OH WAIT my X5 is a removable hard drive... THATS WHY I GOT THE THING!
The iPod works as a removable hard drive. You only need software to load music, and that software can be run off the iPod so you're always set.
here are the specs if you guys are too lazy to search :D http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
somehow, i regret a little bit right now for buying the X5L
NoMoleste
10-12-2005, 17:38
I just don't understand why Cowon bothered with photo and video and then have such a crappy screen on the X5! Terrible res and valuable extra screen space taken by cheesy "COLOR SOUND". Side by side, the Ipod is going to look like the better unit and the screen quality and size is the key. They better get on the ball with DRM compatibility, it will be one of the few selling points over Ipod now. The new Ipods will even come in black!
I hate how Apple can buy in bulk and have really cheap iPods. :thumbsdow Cowon would do this if they could, I bet.
I can't wait untill the X6...
If Cowon isn't goin' to hurry up and bring out DRM and id3-browsing for the X5 immediately I will go with the new black 30gb iPod sometime.
Man, only 11millimeters thick and a 6,5cm screen!!
AND it will/would play all my Family Guy episodes!
But the most important factor for me would be the perfect car-implementation and this sleek remote control for the ipod dock for home use.
I just gave up praying for such accessory for my X5, as there seems absolutely no chance that such things will ever be available for any iAUDIO product.
I hate to say it and I really don't like iTunes, but today it's the first time I ever thought of really buying an iPod.
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 18:30
yep. If mine breaks...ugh eCost.
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 18:31
up to 2 hours of video playback
on the new iPod.
Holy crap that sucks.
Thats not even 1 full movie!
yeah, actually now i dont feel bad; im sorry but 2.5 inches for a movie sux. it doesnt matter if its hi res. it does matter if you can actually se it for ne period of time, i had an ipod before just ordered a new x5l (an sort of kicking myself but i dunno) an any prolonged staring at that screen doesnt help, for what it is x5l is fine. seriously if oyu want to watch an entire movie on sometrhing get a cheap dvd player or the a2 not something youll have to plug into the eall, with this battery youll have to be near a power source justto watch it. plus no radio...
I was just about to type "Bring on the guys who were saying a month ago that the iPod couldn't play videos so the X5 was better, now saying that the iPod's 2.5" screen sucks for videos anyway, the X5 has FM radio, USBOTG etc"... but clearly I was too late :D
OTG is proving less practical to use in a big way for me than I'd hoped, so it was the voice recorder which was mainly making me hang on to the X5... which the iPod now does. I'll have to buy the iPod and compare.
I currently have a 60Gb 4G which I was just using as a portable hard disk (Take note Kiven). That's on it's way to a new owner tomorrow, and it'll be replaced by the 60Gb iPod, which will be more portable than the 20Gb X5. Now that's impressive to begin with. Since I rarely use EQ and the Nano is slightly better in terms of sound than the X5 when 'flat', if the iPod features even just the same sound as the Nano I'd probably end up leaving the X5 at home. On the matter of EQ, there was word of new EQ patents afoot from Apple, which no-one's mentioned if it had been included in the iPod yet.
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 18:50
the reason i get everything besides the iPod is because i use WMP 10 for new CD's, and i have Yahoo Music Launch. If the iPod could play WMA (which will happen when hell freezes over), then i'd be sold.
There's that. Yahoo's a good service. I use the subscription services to sample music only though... since I care about sound quality, for actual listening I buy CD's.
@saltylj
Yeah, still no iPod FM Radio - you're right.
I thought of recording Radioshows on the go with my X5 before I bought it. But unfortunately it's already "not very strong" fm-reception gets even worse when you record from FM. And since I'm a so called "audiophile" I just can't stand any little distortion in my recordings.
So since I have my X5 I hardly used it's Radio nor I ever used Line-In recording.
But I use ogg-vorbis sometimes. :jamming:
Call me a technophile or just stupid: I paid a lot for features I hardly use now.
Give me a timemachine to travel back in time telling myself I just won't need all the X5-features and to wait a couple of months for buying an iPod! I bet I would have kicked that guy back to future ... :lol:
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 19:46
Line-In recording quality is great! I use it at 320 Kbps!.
Yahoo Sounds pretty good. I think they do theirs at about 160-192 ( im just guessing).
jetlondon
10-12-2005, 19:54
Wow. Over the weekend I contemplated buying the X5. The main reason I wanted it was for its video feature and slightly lower price than Ipod. So I go to Amazon finally decide on it and click order. No more than 1 hour later I log on here to see about some of the features and I read this topic. I immediately go "Oh my God! I was ONE hour too late!". Then I go back on Amazon and luckily I cancelled the order before it was processed. Now I just finished my order for a brand new 30GB Ipod - Black, which basically features everything I wanted from the X5 plus an extra 10 gigs, and its only 20 more bucks. Just to think, what if I hadn't logged on here and seen this, I think I would have been kicking myself repeatedly.
The main reason I wouldn't buy an iPod is they tend to release all new models fairly quickly, never releasing firmware updates. Buy the video today, but by Christmas they'll have one that's the same price, a couple mm thinner, with more battery life and 10 more gigs. I'm going to wait till they can get the video battery life up a little before I consider getting one. I used to have a 3g 20gb and the one thing I really hated about it was after 6 months the battey would last about 2 hours max. I drive infrequently from northern NJ to central Delware, about 3 hours, and like to watch movies/tv shows on the way. (Who said you have to keep your eyes on the road?) The iPod would crap out on me toward the end and I would end up throwing it onto the highway at about 85mph.
2 Things that make X5L still in the lead.
- Longer Battery life 34 Hrs(for any L version) > 20 Hrs(Only available for 60G one)
- Super easy to scratch surface of the iPod and if you find a case for it then you will lose the thinness
Anyway, I still think this iPod is cool. If it has FM reciever and get rid of the easyly-scratched-surface and let me transfer and organise the music without using iTunes(Which is impossible) then I will get one.
I'm not a Cowon fanboy or iPod hater, I just don't like to be forced to do things.
idiotekniQues
10-12-2005, 21:06
Wow. Over the weekend I contemplated buying the X5. The main reason I wanted it was for its video feature and slightly lower price than Ipod. So I go to Amazon finally decide on it and click order. No more than 1 hour later I log on here to see about some of the features and I read this topic. I immediately go "Oh my God! I was ONE hour too late!". Then I go back on Amazon and luckily I cancelled the order before it was processed. Now I just finished my order for a brand new 30GB Ipod - Black, which basically features everything I wanted from the X5 plus an extra 10 gigs, and its only 20 more bucks. Just to think, what if I hadn't logged on here and seen this, I think I would have been kicking myself repeatedly.
u cant even watch a full length movie with that ipod battery life. even two episodes of family guy is gonna put a huge dent in ure battery.
as soon as any company but apple releases a dap with the x5L features, but a better screen, im on it. until then. x5L baby!!!!
CNet is calling the new iPod a "video iPod." They never call the X5 a "video X5!"
Konechiwa
10-12-2005, 21:19
At First I was :(
But then when i saw the battery life: :)
Even with a normal X5, i still only charge it like every 3 days.
(And I listen to it about 3 hours day, so thats really good!)
oh and Bosox, CNet doens't care about the X5! Thats why they never called it anything but "Hampered by problems".
BirdFish
10-12-2005, 21:27
Apple pays off CNet...
cracker123
10-12-2005, 21:39
I still prefer the iaudio becuase of the audio quality, backgrounds , no need to use itunes, folder browsing. For me sound quality is more important than other features. I will wait for another year and upgrade to X6.
considering I dont use my X5 much for video, I still think it beats the pants off iPod as a DAP. Doesnt seem to be enough info on whether they've given it real EQ options or not.
The next iPod addition -- probably a camera -- then a phone .... pretty sure Microsoft will be seeking strategy from Apple on how to take over a market.
BirdFish
10-12-2005, 21:52
DAPs aren't meant to be video players. If you want to watch videos, get a PMP (and even then you'll be thoroughly dissappointed because their screens are even too small to watch for extended periods)
This thread should be closed. If you want to discuss how great Apple is, go somewhere else...
vidas7de7jesus7
10-12-2005, 22:34
soon they're going to be trumpeting about the 5G Ipod being one of "the first video playing DAP" and knowing people, they'll leave out the small print. what a shame.
Wow, no FM/Line In recording, USBTG, FLAC support, BBE or equalizer--nope, still not as good as X5.
Oh, and whoever bought the still relatively new 4GB Nano must feel really stupid right now...for $50 more they coul've has a 30GB iPod with video capability! Ouch.
vidas7de7jesus7
10-12-2005, 23:07
oh, wait, i forgot my inevitable, why i hate the ipod rant! anyway.
1. they copied X5- black, that's an X5 specialty, for the most part. and video. why would anyone want to put video on a DAP, no offense, but it's more a gimmick than a helpful feature.
2. it's ugly. in the pictures, the screen looks horrible out of place. it's so big and beastly while th clickwheel is so dainty. it looks like a semi. it's a leviathan in lilliputian land.
3. it's still lacking features. It supports only a few codecs, and has no radio,
voice (it's not there, check the site), line in, etc.
4. it's an ipod. 90% of the hdd players in my school are ipods, why not be different.
overall, though, i hope this will hasten the day of it's coming... the X6, like a holy grail, a shining dream, a shaft of light through the clouds. if we were to design it, it would be impecable, perfect in every way. but, we aren't so we can just hope that they stuff a better screen in there, better controls, and ID3 database browsing. keep all the current features, just fix these few problems to start with. oh, yeah, and send it soon. hopefully it'll come out in korea before june of next year, maybe sooner.
p.s. check out the page konechiwa (i think it was him) wrote on the X6. he hit the nail on the head.
p.p.s. is it just me or does anyone else think apple screwed alot of people over... they got rid of the remote port on the top of the player! that's going to piss alot of people off when they realize they can't use thier aftermarket accessories they bought for thier old ipods. ha ha, suckers.
Help - I've been anticapting the X5 60gb for some time, and now iPod have released their 60gb video-capable player. I don't know what to get and have a few questions - hope someone can help.
What I need it for...
Music (obviously)
Photo storage (direct from the camera)
Video (not for movies, just some TV series taken from DVD)
Does the new iPod support direct camera input? Or input from a standard USB card reader? It wasn't clear to me from their specs...
Playlists - Do both players support on-the-go playlists (I'm going travelling and will not have access to my PC for months) - can they both store multiple entries of these?
Can I view text files on the iPod?
Can I access the folder structure on the iPod?
Are Cowon still planning an ID3 firmware upgrade?
This one has been driving me crazy - what is DRM?
iTunes? If I download MP3s elsewhere, or rip them from CD, I assume I can still use the iTunes software for transfer, etc...?
I'm still leaning towards the X5, though the new iPod screen for viewing photos (and video) is tempting. The battery life is less tempting...
Thanks in advance for any answers...
proximal
10-13-2005, 01:55
1. they copied X5- black, that's an X5 specialty, for the most part. and video. why would anyone want to put video on a DAP, no offense, but it's more a gimmick than a helpful feature.
2. it's ugly. in the pictures, the screen looks horrible out of place. it's so big and beastly while th clickwheel is so dainty. it looks like a semi. it's a leviathan in lilliputian land.
Hahahaha. It's like every rant an iPod owner has had against other DAPs. How stupid do those sound? They copied general property X (oh look, it has a screen), and Y is such a useless feature! And it's ugly!
genocide
10-13-2005, 05:56
lets see wats the final price for it,tough ipod is much more style then function type dap :D
soon they're going to be trumpeting about the 5G Ipod being one of "the first video playing DAP" and knowing people, they'll leave out the small print. what a shame.
Truth. Apple Fanboys are not only zealots and iwhores, but amongst the most ignorant of people.
For me, the in/line recording option is still a big deal. I don't need super high quality recordings, but I need the ability to record music lessons, concerts and lectures. The X5 records, the Ipod does not.... The Ipod only records if you fork out another $40 for an addon.
Got that guys!? The new Ipod does NOT record out of the box!
i need some advice. for a few weeks i was planning to get the X5, but my decision has now been warped with the introduction of the new ipod.
face it, here are the "pros" of the ipod:
- it is literally DOUBLE the X5's resolution
- it holds 33% more, despite it being much thinner. it is also $100 USD cheaper down here (Australia)
- has album art, something i could imagine myself liking.
though what i don't like:
- it has a piss poor battery life for videos. it is inexcusably ignorant to compare this with the x5. if iaudio's battery played at 30fps (double what it is now), i'm sure the battery would be cut in half. i'm hoping i could reencode my avi's into 20fps so i should get 3 hours video.
- needs itunes.
- the fact that it makes me look like a sheep.
i don't plan on using X5's USB OTG, recording and FM radio features at all. nor do i plan on using lyrics, though i do plan on watching videos and viewing pictures.
what would you get if you were in my position? hopefully i could get some "down-to-earth" replies instead of the typical and annoying fan boy comments.
The new iPod comes with some slogans:
'The future is now' and 'A new way to watch TV'
It emphasized on the video watching feature of the iPod.
- 2 hours of battery to watch movies. Not much juice for a full movie.
- even with higher resolution than the X5 display, with 2.5" the iPod screen could not do a better job.
The new iPod can not completed the job that Apple to tout about.
Personally, I'll stick with the X5. If I want to watch movies on the go, I wait for the A2.
jasOnt... clearly, you should get an ipod. The ipod has what you're looking for, the X5 doesn't. If you don't care about the extra bells and whistles of the x5 (recording, usbotg, more file formats, etc.) then you're way better off with the ipod. It's like choosing between a Mac and a PC. If you want a solid, user-friendly device, go for the Mac.
thanks for the advice kahn and bojax.
i need some advice. for a few weeks i was planning to get the X5, but my decision has now been warped with the introduction of the new ipod.
face it, here are the "pros" of the ipod:
- it is literally DOUBLE the X5's resolution
- it holds 33% more, despite it being much thinner. it is also $100 USD cheaper down here (Australia)
- has album art, something i could imagine myself liking.
though what i don't like:
- it has a piss poor battery life for videos. it is inexcusably ignorant to compare this with the x5. if iaudio's battery played at 30fps (double what it is now), i'm sure the battery would be cut in half. i'm hoping i could reencode my avi's into 20fps so i should get 3 hours video.
- needs itunes.
- the fact that it makes me look like a sheep.
i don't plan on using X5's USB OTG, recording and FM radio features at all. nor do i plan on using lyrics, though i do plan on watching videos and viewing pictures.
what would you get if you were in my position? hopefully i could get some "down-to-earth" replies instead of the typical and annoying fan boy comments.
Sup, iaudio X5 coveter, distracted by new iPod, so no fanboyism from me :tongueu:
If you don't need all those things that the X5 does, why get it? The iPod may not be the best sQ for audio, but its not too shabby, having heard a 4th gen
I'm slightly to the X5, as I'd use the USB OTG for my PSP
I'll wait till reviews of new iPod next week, when 1st units are out, before committing. I suggest you do the same
hi LFC_SL,
i don't like the ipods becuase (in ranking order of the points i hate most)
1. i like to be different... i think i saw 20 ipods at school today and nothing else.
2. i don't like being forced to use a program to simply upload songs.
3. i don't like being forced to convert my xvids into MPEG4 or H.264 or whatever.
4. i don't like how the ipod doesn't come with an AC adapter (wtf?)
then agian i don't like iaudio's
1. low resolution
for now i'm still going for the X5, even if its resolution is inferior. i hope watching cartoons (and nothing else) will not be a problem with the iaudio's low resolution screen. i don't plan on watching movies at all :)
fair enough
best wait for someone else who has an X5 to tell us if its ok for cartoons, or try video sub-forum?
idiotekniQues
10-14-2005, 13:23
fair enough
best wait for someone else who has an X5 to tell us if its ok for cartoons, or try video sub-forum?
definitely good for cartoons. for anything else the low resolution is an impedance.
Yeah, watching cartoons on the X5 is absolute acceptable and not bad at all!
I have all Family Guy episodes (all 4 seasons) on my X5. Couldn't live without it!
definelty, frame rate gets annoying, but still is great, in fact the low res doesnt even bother me on non cartoon shows
It has a 2.5 inch screen, double the pixels and I'm sure it will be capable to play higher framerates than the X5 (X5 can only do 12-13 without being sluggish)... No FM Tuner or jetAudio...
Its 30 percent thinner. I rarely use USB OTG...I am sorry to say but I'D BE SOLD IF I DIDN'T BUY THE X5.
I feel like I wasted my money... only if i waited two months more
Frankly they could make the next iPod make breakfast for its owner but i won't give 2 flying f's unless they also made it capable of being able to direct drag n drop mp3s onto the unit HD instead of being forced to use iTunes.
Plain and simple.
As far as animated shows go, i have some anime (Gunbuster 2), Justice League unlimited, Family Guy, American Dad and South Park eps on my player and of course the South Park eps look perfect (big surprise), but the other shows are still very watchable despite the lowered framerate. THe only shows that had trouble were high framerate CG animated shows, i tried a few and maybe it was the conversion via iriverter but they played back very choppy at certain scenes, perhaps the high framerate/detail CG scenes didn't handle the video conversion well.
Ed
strange. i found that it played animatrix very well. especially the cg'd flight of the osiris.
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