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Who Am I?

12-21-2009, 00:46

Found from GenerationMP3

After the V5, a new PMP from Cowon is among emerging, J3 (read "Cowon: the V5 is revealed")! It has been certified for release in South Korea, and from what we know, this is a top model who comes to nest near the S9.

http://mp3.generationmp3.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/4/files/00_2009/12_Decembre/03/cowon.jpg

Details are still scarce, but the craft should have a AMOLED screen, a DMB tuner and wifi. Its capacity will be 4, 8 and 16 GB

tirim4

12-21-2009, 07:53

Looks awesome! Cowon seems to be rolling out their new line-up of devices right now...
EDIT: Cowon should really explain how they think when naming products. I cant see any logic at all... (exept all "5" products seems to be winCE devices, Q5, P5 and now the V5)

Partybreaker

12-21-2009, 08:05

No memory expansion slot? Blah, Cowon will never understand that D2 got big popularity because of that feature...

TechyGuyDR

12-21-2009, 09:19

^ Yeah and with a base capacity as low as 4gigs, I see no reason not to have an expansion slot.

That said I'm still excited to see more details:D

Who Am I?

12-21-2009, 11:59

this very well could be the Sister of the S9 or that the bigger Brother. this will have Wifi so that'd make it the bigger Brother. one step ahead of the other in feature wise.

tirim4

12-21-2009, 15:01

No memory expansion slot? Blah, Cowon will never understand that D2 got big popularity because of that feature...

While SD expansion seems like a quite big feuture they would point out pretty soon, there isnt really anything exept the lack of information telling us there is no expansion slot. I would allso be very suprised if this havent got a 32 gb version.

blackriders

12-21-2009, 20:47

As long as it's not wince 5 or 6 i'm fine with this.

Although I wonder what os this will have?

Maybe it'll be one of the new mobile os's this way it'll be cowon's all in one device.

Video/music/wifi/gps.

would be nice.

Avtalion17

12-22-2009, 18:31

While SD expansion seems like a quite big feuture they would point out pretty soon, there isnt really anything exept the lack of information telling us there is no expansion slot. I would allso be very suprised if this havent got a 32 gb version.

That's right. and according to that pic, this big D2 (or a little S9), has Wifi, Bluetooth, AMOLED screen, DMB (mostly useless), BBE+ and tactile controls.
Ill be happy with a wifi equipped s9 + MicroSD slot any day of the week. (that thin line between the MADE IN KOREA logo and the MIC /RESET button...)

Serial

12-23-2009, 04:40

Seems too similar to the S9... Although it seems early, I guess this is the successor to replace it? Unless they decide to release a 64gb version of the S9 soon while keeping J3 at a lower max capacity? It'll be similar to Apple's Ipod Classic vs. Ipod Touch

As for its wifi... No offense to Cowon, but I can't imagine how bad the online browser will be if one will be included.

EddieE

12-23-2009, 08:43

Where exactly did they get the wifi claim from anyway? If all they have to go on in that leaked drawing, there is no indication on that of wifi unless I'm missing it.

Equally the 4gb/8gb/16gb claim - where is it from? All we have from the drawing is that it has a 16gb version, that it has blue tooth, that it has an AMOLED screen, BBE+ and a recorder on-board.

Simply having an AMOLED screen makes it interesting enough to me...

SemRumo

12-23-2009, 09:47

AMOLED FTW, im going the D2 remake path, like the V5=O2.

Check how the letters are in horizontal, just like D2 and O2. S9 has them in vertical...

gorgi

12-23-2009, 10:43

I guess this one will have either Sd-cardslot, wifi or bluetooth file transfer. Otherwise it won't be different from the S9 and because of the S9 being a lot cheaper because it's somehow "old" the J3 would be a real bummer for Cowon.
I'm 100% sure we will see something really cool on this one

EddieE

12-23-2009, 10:48

Well it doesn't need to have a new feature - it could be the size which is the distinguishing feature -

Either an AMOLED update of the D2 or O2 family, with the new pmp being an update of their line of win CE PMPs.

Since the D2 is getting old and looks clunky compared to more recent players, my best guess is that this is their new mid-sized screen player to replace the D2 (+) which they will discontinue.

Could, and most likely will, be wrong, as is the nature of all such guessing games based on a single ambiguous design like this one.

EDIT:

If that slot is for a micro SD... well that makes this unit seriously TINY based on scale, and it would be odd to opt for a AMOLED screen for such a small device.

TechyGuyDR

12-23-2009, 11:09

If the capacities are in fact the right ones and not just a guess, then I'd think it's a D2 replacement. A base of 4GB just seems to be too small for it to be anything larger than an S9.

Serial

12-23-2009, 14:58

Oh, that's right, I forgot the D2 went by 4gb, 8gb, and 16gb in size, so I guess it really could be a D2 replacement, especially since it is pretty old now and that in Korea they had recently released the white DMB version of the S9. I still can't help but think that it is too similar to S9 though especially now that it looks compact.

What are the chances they'll put in Windows CE here? (I hope not?)

kocour

12-23-2009, 15:23

Android OS would be nice :)

TheDarkSide

12-23-2009, 20:31

If this IS a D2/D2+ replacement & packs a microSD slot I'm so getting this. I prefer smaller, more pocket friendly players - and this may be the "1". Well, folks, at least till I get bored again.

Still, I miss my O2,............................

TechyGuyDR

12-23-2009, 21:53

Yeah, I might do the same.

EddieE

12-24-2009, 03:09

You can actually fit an S9-sized screen on a player with the dimensions of a D2 - now that would be seriously cool :) If the current D2 replacement theory is right though, I imagine it would be a smaller screen.

Peaceful1

12-24-2009, 08:15

not Microsoft ce ,a memory slot ,not more than 125 gr, wifi, camera(its not only a dap,it's called a pmp too),support mp4(every kind),plays video with more pix than its screen

tirim4

12-24-2009, 10:08

not Microsoft ce ,a memory slot ,not more than 125 gr, wifi, camera(its not only a dap,it's called a pmp too),support mp4(every kind),plays video with more pix than its screen

PLEASE dont give this a camera! Its like the iPod Nano. Cameras in Mobile phones are okey, but not in daps. 99 times of 100 they turn out to be crap and just another thing you'll pay for and find out to be unusable.

All I want is an updated S9, with memory crad expansion, maybe wifi if they make something good out of it, a 3.5 inch AMOLED screen covering the whole front and a slightly better video codec suppor then the S9.

Avtalion17

12-24-2009, 13:02

All I want is an updated S9, with memory crad expansion, maybe wifi if they make something good out of it, a 3.5 inch AMOLED screen covering the whole front and a slightly better video codec suppor then the S9.

Add a less than $330 price tag (for 32gigs) and ill throw away my beloved S9 like an old shoe.

TheDarkSide

12-24-2009, 17:44

I personally just want the cold hard specs of this device. Really, is that too much for these leaks to provide?!?!?! :P

blackriders

12-24-2009, 17:52

The AMOLED is an awesome start, but I want something that I can use with me at all time,

Android or Maemo would be nice, gps, hd video and all the other bells and whistles.

Peaceful1

12-27-2009, 04:55

this dac could be good
http://www.austriamicrosystems.com/eng/Products/Audio/Audio-Front-Ends/AS3517
20 bit,96hz
also android os too

GotsOJ

12-27-2009, 15:10

One word... WIFI!!!!!

EddieE

12-27-2009, 16:22

Don't want wifi on a dap.

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't?

Partybreaker

12-27-2009, 18:37

Don't want wifi on a dap.

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't?

Perhaps you have WiFi chip on mobile phone? :)

I don't think this would be replacement for D2. You can see from picture that its length will probably be bigger than D2. And that is one big factor why J3 will probably be like S9 (maybe a little bit thinner), IMO. Of course, I am just guessing right now, so we should visit Cowon Korea in the future, they'll probably reveal official specs first.

Uphaillife

12-28-2009, 00:03

i like how the mic and the reset button are the same. ;)

tirim4

12-28-2009, 07:22

Don't want wifi on a dap.

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't?

I agree, just another thing to pay for and then find out that it has some crappy web browser, and even if it has a good browser it will just feel like another thing iTouch owners cant brag about anymore. I got my nokia 5800 for wifi and surfing, and with the beta of opera mobile 10 I can actually do some surfing. I cant see how cowon could give us a good browsing experiense without putting android or some other OS on it.

Noobie

12-28-2009, 14:40

Wow, looks nice :D
Wi fi isn't a bad idea for some people :P (Me)
Camera = Useless!!

EddieE

12-28-2009, 17:31

Perhaps you have WiFi chip on mobile phone? :)

I don't think this would be replacement for D2. You can see from picture that its length will probably be bigger than D2. And that is one big factor why J3 will probably be like S9 (maybe a little bit thinner), IMO. Of course, I am just guessing right now, so we should visit Cowon Korea in the future, they'll probably reveal official specs first.

Good guess ;) I do have a Nokia E71 - so I know first hand how wifi both rips through a battery at a rate of knotts and heats up a device.

I know in some countries people have to pay for handsets, but in the UK they come free with contracts and you can upgrade them each year, so what that heat it doing to my mobile doesn't worry me too much.

I'd be concerned about the level of heat wifi generates in an item I pay a lot of money for and expect to last for years like a dap.

I like some of the wifi ideas out there, especially ones on the zune hd like artist biogs and wallpapers downloading semi-automatically. But that is a service clearly so resource intensive ms don't offer it outside the US - could Cowon do something similar with their resources? I doubt it. And how would that work with an MSC device? Likely such services need MTP to work - do not want.

So wifi on a Cowon device would mean a crappy web browser - well I've got one on my phone and a full qwerty key board to go with it. I'd rather use that and find myself unable to make a call because the battery has gone than find I can't listen to music till I get home (a fate worse than death for a music addict like myself). ;)

Partybreaker

12-29-2009, 13:14

^ Haha, I'm E71 owner too. :D We definitely have similar wishes... Memory card slot & small size - YES, WiFi - NO. :)

Levi_s32

12-31-2009, 19:59

I have Nokia E72 :) 600 mhz pocessor speed,10,2 mbps download speed,5 megapix camera.Very happy with it but i need a J3 S9 like 16 gb+ 32 SDHC and DAB for UK and i will take it anytime:),and please....at least 55 H playback and the same AMOLED or better:):):)

Partybreaker

01-01-2010, 14:01

Yea, battery life is pretty important if they want to put memory card slot... Like on D2... You can achieve approximately 52 hours of audio playback without using much sound enhancements, on volume level which is not too high, and without using it (just let it play until it runs out of battery). But you will always do things which I mentioned, and playback time, in that case, can't be the same. Putting SDHC into Cowon caused my charging more frequent (without SDHC ~ 12-13 days, with SDHC - less than 10 days). That can still be called good battery life, but J3 will probably have better/bigger screen, more features... so battery life must be at least around the number of 50-60 hours in specifications.

S9isMine

01-03-2010, 02:09

For the love of god please put some internal speakers in that machine, there are occasions where I would enjoy having speakers, regardless of how they sound, and I could use the alarm function w/o having to plug in my speakers.

trent

01-05-2010, 13:53

The J3 seems like a weird release from Cowon. Like someone said earlier in the thread, there must be something new to it, or it will be just a new version of the S9/D2. Not that D2 are the same as S9, but now that we have the D2,S9 and IAudio9 what will the J3 add? And if it doesn't have expansion slot it's totally useless IMO. Actually I still think Cowon hasn't made anything great since the D2/D2+. If they release the J3 and it has worse battery time than D2 and only 16GB I'll get really pissed.

blackriders

01-05-2010, 17:52

Anything from Cowon at ces?

TechyGuyDR

01-05-2010, 18:44

I've been wondering if they might reveal the J3 at the CES. I hope they do.

tirim4

01-05-2010, 18:47

Remember that there is no word on how big this player will be. The source of this info is basicly just rumors so we dont know for sure. This could be a bigger player like maybe the O2 or the A3.

blackriders

01-05-2010, 19:55

Remember that there is no word on how big this player will be. The source of this info is basicly just rumors so we dont know for sure. This could be a bigger player like maybe the O2 or the A3.

Which is why it would be nice to show up at ces, this way we know what type of player it is.

Who Am I?

01-12-2010, 22:42

kocour

01-13-2010, 09:08

yum yum :P

blackriders

01-13-2010, 16:49

Update: it seems with the new update to JetAudio 8.0.1 they added J3 Presents. from what i'm reading from a source is that the J3 is very similar to the S9 in design but it has Wifi! a step ahead of the S9.

Any other settings like video settings? is it 480x272 or 840x480????

Man if they j3 has wifi with a true mobile os with an amoled screen it'll make me forget about the viliv p3.

Who Am I?

01-13-2010, 17:40

Any other settings like video settings? is it 480x272 or 840x480????

Man if they j3 has wifi with a true mobile os with an amoled screen it'll make me forget about the viliv p3.me cannot confirm this sorry.

blackriders

01-13-2010, 17:47

me cannot confirm this sorry.

Guess i'll just have to wait till it's oficially anounced.

Although with they recent cowon announcements i'll prob be dissapointed. :(

Adapada

01-13-2010, 18:24

Who Am I?

01-13-2010, 18:34

as i said before. the Design is similar to that of the S9

blackriders

01-13-2010, 18:35

i can confirm the jet audio thing. It converts the video to 480x272 (so its gonna be the same resolution as the O2 and the S9....) :( :( :(

edit: it says O2/S9/J3 in the preset, and tech specs of the video is 480x270 (well, 272..) but yeah, its not any higher res screen.... massive WHOMP-WHOMP :(

480x272 is a major downer, you would think cowon would look at everyone else and see that everything is going 800x480 and go with that themselves.

Even the v5 is 800x480 so why not this. [cursing]

Adapada

01-13-2010, 18:44

I would have hoped for higher res, and the 3.3 inch screen was plenty real estate, but it didnt necessarily have to be bigger (as the more pixels, the better for webpages)

blackriders

01-13-2010, 19:56

I would have hoped for higher res, and the 3.3 inch screen was plenty real estate, but it didnt necessarily have to be bigger (as the more pixels, the better for webpages)

Bigger screen and higher res would have definitly been better.

Look at the nexus 1, and viliv p3. Both have Amoled screen with 800x480 res.

I'm not saying they should have gone the archos route a 4.8 inch screen

but something between 3.7 and 4.3 would still be pocketable.

Mr. Bonheur

01-16-2010, 05:06

I found that

http://www.cowon-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/cowon-j31.png

It's weird because it's not indicated that it has wi-fi...

Who Am I?

01-16-2010, 16:59

if the J3 doesn't have Wifi then what was the point of this DAP?

tirim4

01-16-2010, 17:14

Ye, those specs kinda seems like an S9? Or wait, not kinda of, exactly like an S9.

Adapada

01-16-2010, 18:01

@ Mr. Bonheur

Where did you find that? (do you have a linky?)

blackriders

01-16-2010, 19:48

maybe they'll use a resistive screen lol

wondering what they hell cowon is doing?

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/01/15/upcoming.cowon.j3.specs.unveiled.by.own.app/

rumors are that it'll have a memory card slot and wifi. Besides that it's the same player.

Noobie

01-16-2010, 20:06

Seems that Cowon is launching lots of products lately :)

Serial

01-17-2010, 01:37

Ye, those specs kinda seems like an S9? Or wait, not kinda of, exactly like an S9.

if the reports are to be believed the sizes are 4, 8 and 16 gb (Same as D2/D2+), so that's one difference.

..so an S9 with smaller flash drive but possibly an SD slot and possibly wifi? even with that it really feels redundant, they could just do a 64gb S9 instead.

Mr. Bonheur

01-17-2010, 07:00

@Adapada http://www.cowon-news.com/2010/01/15/le-cowon-j3-se-devoile-un-peu-plus/

gorgi

01-17-2010, 10:04

Maybe it'll come with two DACs like the s:flo2 ?!?!

Noobie

01-17-2010, 15:02

Maybe it'll come with two DACs like the s:flo2 ?!?!

Wow all your gear have been stolen LOL [blink]

Nevladah

01-17-2010, 15:51

I hope it will have SDXC slot.

EddieE

01-18-2010, 05:49

I'm sticking with my earlier speculation: That the J3 will be a roughly D2 sized player (albeit with a screen size closer to the S9) to replace the (now very old) D2 model in their line up. Don't let the size of the screen fool you. The D2 has that worthless real estate of the "sandwich meat" sticking out of the end. If you take the complete real estate of the D2, maybe increase it on each side by a milimetre or two, you'll find an S9 sized screen fits it pretty nicely.

The S9 does not need a replacement or a successor and is probably still selling very well by Cowon's targets. The D2 has probably seen a huge hit in sales since the release of the S9 and let's face it - is out-dated. The design (even of the improved D2+) is of Cowon's old "techhie" aesthetic and not the much more consumer slick look of the units like the S9 and O2, if Cowon are trying to rebrand as a company that makes aesthetic trendy products, the D2 remains a thorn in their side. They just released the i9 to replace the i7, next up is the D2.

This is as much guess work as anything else on the thread, but it is at least based in logic, whereas a replacement for the still booming S9 is not.

Despite reports of wifi and SD support continuing, I still see no evidence for the claims, the unconfirmed reports being sources from unconfirmed reports being sourced to claims made as though they are facts with no explanation of how those sites would know any more than us about this unreleased product.

My assessment remains that this is a D2 with a larger AMOLED screen, blue tooth headset support and no SDHC slot (sorry!).

Levi_s32

01-24-2010, 17:22

Cowon PLEASE......what's wrong with you?Where is J3?I must be out by now...at least give us some official information.Hope there is a DAB tuner,micro sd slot,and better battery or the same as S9.

Indulgence

01-25-2010, 08:42

no 32gb ? aw...

pallokallo

01-25-2010, 13:14

This is pure torture. Don't know if its new improved S9 or D2. ARGH ;p well no point waiting forever its just money. Need to get portable player soon to start enjoying music have been using nokia phone for listening and that is torture.

razputin

02-02-2010, 07:24

I was chatting with a support rep about my S9 RMA and I asked him about the J3 but he claimed he didn't have any details about it. :(

Ragnalin The Thief

02-06-2010, 05:25

I don't mind wifi (much prefer 3g as thats when I actually need mobile internet) but wifi alone is definitely not enough to justify a whole new player. If wifi is to be the case I want a lite version of firefox, put safari, chrome on there and they have no sale (moreso with safari). I want AMOLED with a much higher pixel density and a screen size of around 3.7-3.8 inches. Also flash 10 is an almost absolute must. Expandable memory would be lovely but there no point whatsoever in having a 4GB model. Please support H.264. More power effiecient, too please.

Yeah it's a big list but not like it's overly hard.

surgency

02-14-2010, 13:34

Why is everybody against Wi-Fi?
All companies are going wifi. You know, "Get well. Connected".
Programs for any non-wifi player are ui's and stuff. they will become obsolete.
With the s9, it would be awesome to have a player which can download information and synchronize with my computer, etc...
And games too. Multiplayer? Sure. High scores? Sure. Automatically downloading updates? Sure.
Which (sort of) brings me to my next request: bluetooth.
Bluetooth is unusable in the S9. For headphones, it works. But my dad talked to the main dev of bluetooth in Linux (works for qualcomm), he said that bluetooth is not for audio signals. They have to squeeze more out of it to send audio. There is no other standard for wireless audio now, but nevertheless, there should be computer-sync or file transfer.
Also, flash = :(.
Im not an apple fanboy , in fact i dont like apple at all. However, i do agree that flash is going to die. It gained popularity only from youtube, which is replacing with html5. And being that most of the uneducated public agree with apple, flash is going to die.
Flash is okay for like, animations. Programming in it is a pain in the ass, and especially with fscommands. Please cowon, drop flash.
My main request is a non-flash based firmware/OS.

With a speculated max size of 16gb, a SD/MicroSD slot is also a must.

Non-Flash based OS + card slot + WiFi + usable bluetooth and im sold 150%.

Glad-kun

02-14-2010, 15:26

Why is everybody against Wi-Fi?
Because Wi-fi needs a lot of things to drive out it's potential. It needs a bit more powerful and well-developed OS then, for example, S9's. So it needs to be built from scratch or cowon can use some of open platforms... And none of open platforms shown to be good for PMPs. Not hybrids like Touch with many lacks in PMP/DAP department. And open platforms need drivers to work with players hardware...
For wi-fi there needs to be at least web browser. And it is another big bunch of work to do. Because web pages are not designed for 3" screens and their resolutions. So web browser needs a lot of work too. No need for bad one.
All these problems can be easily solved by money and resources... But Cowon is not Apple. And Apple doesn't really care about buyers. And some of them need wi-fi and stuff without losses in PMP/DAP department.
Best possible solution now is solid PMP/DAP and wi-fi with other similar features on the smartphone.
Too bad cowon stoped installing USB-hosts on it's players...

surgency

02-14-2010, 15:53

A web browser isn't hard to develop... One like Firefox or chrome or IE is complex and is hard, but no Wi-Fi enabled PMP has such a complex browser.
All that is needed is address bar, scroll bars, and history/favorites.
Many webpages like Google and yahoo have a mobile version, and besides that, a web browser for the j3/s9 could just zoom in to some point, and have a zoom slider/multi touch zoom.
And Viliv P3 is using android, and from the videos I've seen its pretty nice
WM7 is coming out in like three days or so, that could be a candidate

vvill

02-25-2010, 08:01

I agree with everyone about the expansion slot. No expansion slot = not buying. My D2 is still going strong, and while AMOLED is a nicety, and wifi/bluetooth a little more than that, without an expansion slot there is no point "upgrading".

wadewilson

03-15-2010, 10:18

A new picture :

http://mp3.generationmp3.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/4/files/00_2010/03/03/cowon.jpg

redblade

03-15-2010, 10:35

yeah i saw this one on GenerationMP3!

Here is the link:
http://mp3.generationmp3.com/2010/03/15/cowon-une-image-et-des-caracteristiques-pour-le-j3/

wadewilson

03-15-2010, 10:45

yeah i saw this one on GenerationMP3!

Here is the link:
http://mp3.generationmp3.com/2010/03/15/cowon-une-image-et-des-caracteristiques-pour-le-j3/

You are right, i have seen it there :)
Thanks for the links as i have forgotten to put the source ;)

robertos

03-15-2010, 12:30

any differences compared to S9?

'nw

03-15-2010, 12:35

kolonje

03-15-2010, 12:43

the specs look kinda boring...

but the design...*drool* ;)

TheDarkSide

03-15-2010, 17:08

Still, max 16gb & no sd/microSD card slot??? Naw, I'll pass.

'nw

03-15-2010, 17:27

"c’est à peu près tout ce que l’on sait pour le moment, mais l’appareil semble ne pas manquer d’attraits."

I guess Cowon hasn't published all specifications.

Here the translation of the extract above:

"That's roughly everything we know at the moment, but it seems that the device doesn't lack allurements."

blackriders

03-15-2010, 18:07

Here are the specs (translated):
- 3.3 inch AMOLED, 480x272px
- 4, 8 or 16 gb
- Bluetooth
- JetEffects 3.0
- Accelerometer
- TV-out

That's all we know at the moment.

So at the moment there are no differences compared to the S9.

So it just has a revamped gui and a brushed aluminum shell.

I think i'll stay with my s9 then.

Of course this one will prob have proper h264 support.
Either way not enought to make me change device.

Who Am I?

03-15-2010, 20:35

i bet there'll be Wifi. if not then W.T.F???

blackriders

03-15-2010, 23:34

i bet there'll be Wifi. if not then W.T.F???

I doubt there will be wifi on the j3, if anything the v5 is more deserving of wifi and it didn't get it.

TheDarkSide

03-16-2010, 05:46

I just hope for either 64gb, or at least 32gb w/an sd/microSD card slot. I need the capacity, and only the Touch hits the right point - but the SQ sux IMO. I have 1 in the house (my oldest son's) to verify - the SQ is "meh".

SemRumo

03-16-2010, 08:24

http://gizmodo.com/5494317/cowon-j3-pmp-surfaces-in-france-with-a-33+inch-amoled-touchscreen

tirim4

03-16-2010, 09:14

*happily watches my S9* Im not even sure I like that design more then the S9... rather boring otherwise...

JunglePimp

03-16-2010, 09:41

I guess (and hope otherwise) this is like Zen X-fi, merely an upgrade over the zen..
Any news on what version of flash this device will support?

Also, what exactly do you guys plan on doing with wifi on this device with a 3.3 inch screen? :D

'nw

03-16-2010, 09:44

Damn, now I can't decide whether I should get the J3, or the V5. [wacko]

The J3 is probably better for music related things, whereas the V5 seems to be awesome for playing videos.

Damn, Cowon, you make this decision hard..

JunglePimp

03-16-2010, 09:49

S9isMine

03-16-2010, 12:44

From the specs release so far it sounds exactly like the S9 in a metal case.

NeedMusic

03-16-2010, 14:11

Also, what exactly do you guys plan on doing with wifi on this device with a 3.3 inch screen? :DBrowing the web, mail, and checking things on the fly.

Hopefully this has better build quality, and SD support. BT is there again, so useless...

JunglePimp

03-16-2010, 14:20

Browing the web, mail, and checking things on the fly.

Hopefully this has better build quality, and SD support. BT is there again, so useless...

On a 3.3 inch screen? Really? I've seen people complain about the small font size in the browsers.. (music browsers), I'm not so sure if a web browser will be of much use specially since S9/J3 both lack a QWERTY pad too.

Acreo Aeneas

03-16-2010, 15:50

You really can't browse much of the web on such a small screen. Trust me, the most you'd want to do is maybe watch a YouTube video (m.youtube.com not youtube.com) and checking your email when you can find a WiFi hotspot.

Besides the possibility of WiFi, how else does it differ from the S9? Is the UI also customizable like the S9? Any word on pricing or a 32 GB version?

Jaded128

03-16-2010, 16:46

I didn't mind browsing the web on my now deceased phone's 2.8" screen at all, really. Could be better, but it was fine. But that was a 640x480 screen. I wouldn't want to browse the web on a screen like the S9's, 480x272 doesn't quite cut it for me, especially nowadays where 800x480 is/should be becoming the standard.

I really hoped the successor would have a higher resolution as that's my only major gripe with the S9.. Especially not-so large text is a bit uncomfortable to read this way. But this is just an S9 with some higher quality materials and a different menu it seems. And is it just me or has the bezel grown quite a bit, especially at the bottom? Not sure if I like that.

Can't see any hardware buttons on that picture either, though that may just be because of the perspective... The fact that I can properly control my S9 without taking it out of my pocket was one of my first reasons for considering it over the iPod Touch, so it would be sad to see them removed.

Uphaillife

03-16-2010, 18:17

i dont think anyone can assume anything.
i'm not sure how people even got the specs when it's not even on the korean cowon website.

and im sure cowon isn't that stupid to just release an S9 in a metal casing. they're not dumb. there is most likely going to be bigger upgrades.

Noobie

03-16-2010, 20:15

Looks so similar to the S9, specs also!

Who Am I?

03-16-2010, 20:29

i guess the BIG Question here for Developers is... "What Version of Flash will it come with?" if there is no upgrade in Flash then uhh... COWON Wasted Money on Developing this Unit.

Scrapz

03-16-2010, 23:16

The specs to seem fall short, if that's what they're really going to be. I think I'll pass for now...

NeedMusic

03-17-2010, 18:36

On a 3.3 inch screen? Really? I've seen people complain about the small font size in the browsers.. (music browsers), I'm not so sure if a web browser will be of much use specially since S9/J3 both lack a QWERTY pad too.Have you never used blackberries? It's really not hard, and I don't mind using a crappy keyboard to check basic things. Afterall, it's only slightly smaller than most touch screen phones now a days.

blackriders

03-17-2010, 19:11

Not sure how reputable this site is, but they are claiming the j3 will have wifi.

http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Cowon_J3_Portable_Media_Player_Made_Official/551-109947-893.html

Adapada

03-17-2010, 20:16

I believe that our themes we currently have will probably be able to be run on the J3, except for wifi.

I have decided that I will not buy the J3 because it looks like it has little to no improvement except for wifi. I was hoping for a full screen (little bezel, and high res screen) but no dice there either.

Damn you Cowon, just make a next gen product!!!!

Serial

03-18-2010, 00:27

...So far it sounds like an S9 in a different case, but with an even smaller hard drive. You'd figure they'd start using 64gb drives by now.

Might skip and just wait for their next generation player in a couple of years.

JunglePimp

03-18-2010, 05:32

Have you never used blackberries? It's really not hard, and I don't mind using a crappy keyboard to check basic things. Afterall, it's only slightly smaller than most touch screen phones now a days.

There is a world of difference between a device like blackberry which is meant to perform such functions, and a device like J3 which is "trying hard" to fit such functions 'in'. I use a Nokia smartphone and it has a smaller screen (2.5") but the thing is, it has a QWERTY keyboard. On J3, there can only be a touch keyboard, which means it would also take up a lot of the screen space, and you have no idea how horrible an experience it is to operate a device without a proper keyboard... I've tried Creative Zen X-fi and my previous phone, it's terrible.

JunglePimp

03-18-2010, 08:40

I agree with you jungle pimp..!! It looks similar as if you are working with J3 and balck berry..!!

Mick..!!

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It seems you didn't carefully read what I wrote [rolleyes]

NeedMusic

03-18-2010, 15:33

There is a world of difference between a device like blackberry which is meant to perform such functions, and a device like J3 which is "trying hard" to fit such functions 'in'. I use a Nokia smartphone and it has a smaller screen (2.5") but the thing is, it has a QWERTY keyboard. On J3, there can only be a touch keyboard, which means it would also take up a lot of the screen space, and you have no idea how horrible an experience it is to operate a device without a proper keyboard... I've tried Creative Zen X-fi and my previous phone, it's terrible.I don't see the problem with fitting it, if it can do basic functions which is what the iPod touch has no problem doing. If the J3 can mimick the touch even by 50%, it's a usable.

I'll do you better, my phone which is the LG LX370 has a 1.8 screen. Tried the internet in a near Sprint store, and though it was choppy, it worked fine. I even got through cracked.com and read an article or two.

I've tried loads of touch screen phones, so yes I do know my places when it comes to virtual keyboards. Like I said, I would be using it for basic things, and I don't see the problems in that. Touch screens have a disadvantage in the virtual keyboard, but it shines in maneuverability. As it looks like some people posted in agreement with me to the welcoming of Wifi. If the touch and Zune HD (Same sized screen) can do it, I don't see anything wrong with Cowon taking a shot with an WiFi player incorporated into this.

Look, the keyword is basic. If it can function in reading e-mails and some limited social networking sites, then it's not trying hard. It's serving a purpose to somebody, including me. I would understand your point if it started cranking out youtube, flash on web, multi tasking, then it wouldn't be in it's place. As it stands, there's really no problem for simple functions like I mentioned.

I think we're straying away from the point, so I'll end it here. But damn I want the J3 though, I miss touch screen functionality ever since my S9 broke...If the price is competitive, then it's mine. Regardless if Wifi is incorporated or not.

opc100

03-18-2010, 16:10

It seems like a J3 to an S9 is the same as a D2+ to a D2. So basically, this seems like an S9+. New case, new icons, not much else.

JunglePimp

03-18-2010, 16:59

Just had a closer look.. I think J3 looks more like zuneHD in terms of external design..

Woozle Wuzzle

03-18-2010, 18:49

What a waste of time and money from Cowon. Such a useless product if it does exactly what the S9 does and less memory. I shall applaud Cowon for making such an amazing new product.

TheDarkSide

03-18-2010, 20:19

It seems you didn't carefully read what I wrote [rolleyes]
Dude, he's a spammer w/links in his sig,...................[mad]

JunglePimp

03-19-2010, 05:45

Dude, he's a spammer w/links in his sig,...................[mad]

Bid him a nice goodbye ;)

JunglePimp

03-19-2010, 05:54

I don't see the problem with fitting it, if it can do basic functions which is what the iPod touch has no problem doing. If the J3 can mimick the touch even by 50%, it's a usable.

I'll do you better, my phone which is the LG LX370 has a 1.8 screen. Tried the internet in a near Sprint store, and though it was choppy, it worked fine. I even got through cracked.com and read an article or two.

I've tried loads of touch screen phones, so yes I do know my places when it comes to virtual keyboards. Like I said, I would be using it for basic things, and I don't see the problems in that. Touch screens have a disadvantage in the virtual keyboard, but it shines in maneuverability. As it looks like some people posted in agreement with me to the welcoming of Wifi. If the touch and Zune HD (Same sized screen) can do it, I don't see anything wrong with Cowon taking a shot with an WiFi player incorporated into this.

Of course, there isn't a thing wrong with it. Nor do I mind it on the J3 as long as it doesn't affect the rest of the functionality, but then it's about what you can solely "do", and what you can "do well", if you're getting my point.

Besides liking in itself is a relative term, and you've surfed on a 1.8" screen [ [wacko] ].. so I believe if J3 can have a keyboard where people do not face problems in typing whatever they wish to type (especially the ! @ # $ ... ) then people of your taste would like it, though that wouldn't be too large in number. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a sales gimmick though.

sameer

03-19-2010, 06:28

What if it comes with Android,full HD(1080p) video playback capability,nVidia Tegra chipset,MKV,RMVB support,nice text viewer,WiFi(since its not sure,some website claim it has WiFi,some dont)it would be a gr8 deal,wouldn't it???Cant wait for the spec to be out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NeedMusic

03-19-2010, 22:43

Of course, there isn't a thing wrong with it. Nor do I mind it on the J3 as long as it doesn't affect the rest of the functionality, but then it's about what you can solely "do", and what you can "do well", if you're getting my point.

Besides liking in itself is a relative term, and you've surfed on a 1.8" screen [ [wacko] ].. so I believe if J3 can have a keyboard where people do not face problems in typing whatever they wish to type (especially the ! @ # $ ... ) then people of your taste would like it, though that wouldn't be too large in number. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a sales gimmick though.Well, this is Cowon, they're either going to ruin something while doing everything else fine. (See: User Interface, playlists, build quality. To: Sound Quality, video, UCIs)

Hopefully the J3 doesn't sacrifice anything, as I don't see any logical reason to at this point. They've almost got to 95% in satisfaction with the S9 IMHO. The build quality, dust issues (my FF/RW button broke >_>) absolutely killed it for me.

Woozle Wuzzle

03-20-2010, 01:51

V5 apparently didn't receive a very good response.. Check out Engadget's Review (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/cowon-v5-review/).
I'd say wait for a detailed J3 review, and either go for it or something else, but not the V5.

uhhhh....what? From what i read, Engadget gave it a good mark, it's just they thought wifi should of been included and the price was a bit steep. Other than that Engadget gave it good marks on screen, SQ, amount of format it supports and more. I don't know if you read that article.

14all

03-20-2010, 03:02

JunglePimp

03-20-2010, 05:40

uhhhh....what? From what i read, Engadget gave it a good mark, it's just they thought wifi should of been included and the price was a bit steep. Other than that Engadget gave it good marks on screen, SQ, amount of format it supports and more. I don't know if you read that article.

Did you care to read this?

Ah, but here's the rub. Cowon's 16GB V5 is listed at $299.99, while the 32GB version demands an extra $60. It's impossible (and frankly, irresponsible) to view a media player's value without comparing it to Microsoft's Zune HD and Apple's iPod touch, and the V5 loses serious points in this vital area. The 16GB Zune HD can be had for under $180, while the 32GB iPod touch can be had for the same price as a 16GB V5. Oh sure, the V5 has a much nicer display (and a killer battery), but the lack of WiFi, a web browser and an app store will be more than enough to push the Average Joe or Jane away. All things considered, we can't heartily recommend the V5 unless a larger, higher resolution panel is more important to you than inbuilt WiFi and the ability to surf the web; the pristine audio quality is definitely a boon, but for most, we're guessing the cons will outweigh the pros. 'Course, if Cowon comes along and hacks $100 to $150 from the MSRPs, we'll happily revisit this conversation.

It seems these days people don't think much before they "post" [rolleyes]

'nw

03-20-2010, 05:44

This isn't really negative for everyone, they are just speaking for the majority of users ("but for most, we're guessing the cons will outweigh the pros.") since WiFi is for many people more important than good sound/video quality (-> iPod Touch users).

I wouldn't buy it though, it's too expensive for that what you get.

We should go back to topic. ;)

JunglePimp

03-20-2010, 05:52

This isn't really negative for everyone, they are just speaking for the majority of users

Of course yeah, I kept that in mind when I quoted it ;)

And yes, steerin' it back to the topic...

sameer

03-20-2010, 07:51

Of course yeah, I kept that in mind when I quoted it ;)

And yes, steerin' it back to the topic...

ya its all about the J3,not some bulky player like V5.People reading this thread would be expecting info about J3 and not some player that is already out and reviewed.

Speaking of J3,has any one has confirmed news regarding the availability of WiFi in J3????

'nw

03-20-2010, 08:17

The following things are sure:

- 3.3 inch AMOLED, 480x272px
- 4, 8 or 16 gb
- Bluetooth
- JetEffects 3.0
- Accelerometer
- TV-out

The rest are just speculations (including WiFi).

But it's possible that these aren't all features and Cowon hides some.

I personally won't buy the J3.. except Cowon improved the performance a lot, increased the screen resolution compared to the S9 (480x272?..that's low-res) and upgraded Flash. MP4 (real MP4 support, not the "support" the S9 has), MKV, H.264 support (same here, real H.264 support, not like S9's support) would be welcome, too.

sameer

03-20-2010, 11:19

But it's possible that these aren't all features and Cowon hides some.

I personally won't buy the J3.. except Cowon improved the performance a lot, increased the screen resolution compared to the S9 (480x272?..that's low-res) and upgraded Flash. MP4 (real MP4 support, not the "support" the S9 has), MKV, H.264 support (same here, real H.264 support, not like S9's support) would be welcome, too.

ya full H.264 support,mkv will make it gr8 deal but if would come packed with 64gig versions also,i'm planing to buy a pmp with big space,once it out i'll check out Viliv P3 and J3,the former got android(Wow[thumbsup]),lets see the whole story,btw when its out internationally any idea?it has been seen that cowon releases its pmp first for Korean customers,lets see what it brings with it...

gorgi

03-20-2010, 14:45

If it has Wifi and Flash 8 i'm probably going to buy it. Wonder how the sound will be - maybe they fixed the little bit bass roll off.
Probably going to take the 32gb version - maybe ^^
There's too much speculations yet and the price will drop for sure. 350€ for a 32gb pmp? A bit too expensive in my opinion. I think it'll settle down around 230€ like the S9 32gb.

opc100

03-21-2010, 11:49

This is so annoying. When I bought my D2 the D2+ came out very soon after, now I've bought an S9 and the J3 is there.

sameer

03-21-2010, 12:17

This is so annoying. When I bought my D2 the D2+ came out very soon after, now I've bought an S9 and the J3 is there.

Thats the case in every electronics,when you buy a gadget generally 2 things happen,either their price will drop off,or a new improved version will show up,which makes us think".....hmmm I wish I could have waited a little more[rolleyes]"

Serial

03-22-2010, 22:18

ya full H.264 support,mkv will make it gr8 deal but if would come packed with 64gig versions also,i'm planing to buy a pmp with big space,once it out i'll check out Viliv P3 and J3,the former got android(Wow[thumbsup]),lets see the whole story,btw when its out internationally any idea?it has been seen that cowon releases its pmp first for Korean customers,lets see what it brings with it...

I almost forgot about the new Viliv, if they come out with a 64gb model for that I might just get that, big plus for android OS. J3 so far only has a 16gb model as it's highest size which is disappointing since S9 has 32gb.

I think the new Sony high end mp3 player that's really thin got a 64gb model too recently, but have yet to reach english international stores.

As for the J3 resolution, I think they already said it has the same resolution as S9 (272x480 I think?)

Uphaillife

03-23-2010, 00:43

So, I've been trying to find out some new things about the J3 and its possibilities. So far, many of us are disappointed because it seems to be the exact same thing as the S9. 480 x 272 resolution, 3.3 inch screen, AMOLED. What else?

But I looked carefully at the UI and I noticed some things in the user interface.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/cowon-j3-pmp-looks-cool-in-its-brushed-metal-case/
Look at the second row middle button. It's the one with a bunch of rectangles.

That's the logo for Adobe Shockwave.
I was reading up adobe shockwave on wiki and it is more powerful than flash, allowing users to play 3D games
Features not replicated by Flash include a much faster rendering engine, including hardware-accelerated 3D, and support for various network protocols, including Internet Relay ChatFrom Wiki.

So fellow Cowoners, I think the J3 guarantees us adobe shockwave. I think Flash is wholly eliminated.

EDIT: Icon deciphers
From left to right, up to down.
1. Music
2. Video
3. Photo
4. ?
5. Adobe Shockwave
6. File Browser
7. DMB
8. Jet effect
9. Recorder
10. Dictionary
11. ?
12. Settings