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EvilEivind
10-23-2004, 06:39
Well, my U2 hasn't exploded yet. =)

I've gotten it up and running, fully charged, and am currently exploring the features and learning the ropes. The user manual isn't quite as descriptive as it should have been (for example, I used ten or twenty minutes trying to figure out which I should remove when safely removing hardware; I could choose from USB mass storage device, Standardvolume (H:), or iAUDIO U2 USB Device) and it doesn't mention how you should move music files directly onto the player, as opposed to using JetAudio for the task.

The transferring speed was surprisingly fast; I can roughly move over 50 MB in 20 seconds. So it doesn't take much longer than 3 minutes to fill the entire thing up (490 MBs).

The player is quite small, though not as small as I had thought it would be. It's roughly as long as my middle finger. It's still small though! And easy to carry around.

Now, onto a few questions and complaints...

I'm not all too happy with the sound. But, I've recently purchased two sets of headphones which I'm still trying out, so that may have something to do with it. None the less...

The sound sounds both too and too little "bassy." There seems to be a bassy sound to the music, more or less all the time, making the song seem overall muffled in a way, and the sound of, say, a bass drum doesn't exactly pack the punch it really should, also appearing slightly muffled. I have been experimenting a bit with the two different bass functions, and though it helps to turn them both down, it still seems to be a problem.

A second complaint about the sound is that the songs, in a way, all have this similar feel, and the production quality of one song, or the lack of it on another, doesn't seem to really shine through. I especially notice this on the vocals, where the "s" sounds by the musicians sound way too similar to one another, whereas on one song it it should have a higher pitch, on another a lower.

I'm not a real audio buff or music expert, so sorry if my descriptions are hard to understand -- or even incorrectly phrased.

There seems to be a general lack of 'directness', in a way. The opening beep also seems muffled, and in a way not as direct as the beep I get when I turn on the DiscMan I've been using the past year.

Which leads to a second disappointment, namely the volume. I'd heard it was supposed to be a quite loud unit, with the volume going from 0 to 40. I've never really used to listen to music at a very loud volume, but it seems I usually need to turn it up to somewhere between 28-34 to get it loud enough. This is without any equalizing effects though.

A third complaint is the folder structure. Right now, I've been making individual folders for artists/albums, moving the music over to these folders. But often, when I open up the folders when using the player, the files seem to be sorted oddly, neither alpabetically by songname nor file name or track number.
For example, I put over the debut album of the Hidden Cameras, and the first file is "Golden Streams," which is the first track on the album. Then after that, there's the "Shame" track, which is track number eight!

Is there any way to fix this? Haven't yet found a feature for how to catalog files, but it should be somewhere.

Also, I tried using the player on a stereo, but the sound was quite low. When using the player in this way, should you turn the volume on the unit up to max? Or could this damage the unit?

Another problem was when I tried fast forwarding, or rewinding, certain songs -- I have it set to x4 speed, but on certain files, it seems to revert back to x2. These may be VBR files, but I'm not sure.

My bad experience with the sound could be to several things: the new headphones, the actual audio files (they're usually either encoded in 192 Kbps, or 128-320 VBR, or 320 Kbps), I may have gotten a bad unit (which I really hope I haven't!), bad audio settings/effects, or I may just need to get used to the sound.

Or, this may actually be how mp3s sound; but listening to them on my computer they sound pretty much as good as CDs, also when using CD-Rs with burnt mp3s on the DiscMan.

How should the JetEffects equalizer be used? Perhaps it's best to simply have them all turned up? I often choose "normal" though, as I don't really want to tamper with the original sound much, other than, perhaps, adding some bass.

Oh, and is it worth installing/using JetAudio? Will it, in any way, enchance your iAUDIO U2, as opposed to just dragging and dropping files?

I really hope the few problems I've mentioned can be fixed! It really seems like a super unit, and I really want to be happy with it. Any advice or comments would be much appreciated.

Cruz
10-23-2004, 08:54
Well I agree on your topic and indeed the VBR is a problem as it plays the VBR correct but when skipping RWD/FWD it doesn't do it correctly. I posted this earlier on this Board. I got now V1.20 and OGG works perfect but the issue of the VBR hasn't been solved. I hope in the Final V1.20 Iaudio will correct this problem of the VBR skipping.

EvilEivind
10-23-2004, 10:40
Ah, so I guess it's a universal problem then! But did you mean that you also agreed with any of my other comments? Or was it only the VBR one?

Need to do some decent testing though, such as listening to a song in WAV, and comparing the quality to the quality I'd get from listening to it on the computer, or the CD through a stereo.

And another question, which I forgot to include. How exactly does the necklace work? I haven't found any info on how to use it in the manual, but I presume you're supposed to, one way or the other, hook it to the opening which is on one of the sides.

Cruz
10-23-2004, 11:06
Ah, so I guess it's a universal problem then! But did you mean that you also agreed with any of my other comments? Or was it only the VBR one?

Need to do some decent testing though, such as listening to a song in WAV, and comparing the quality to the quality I'd get from listening to it on the computer, or the CD through a stereo.

And another question, which I forgot to include. How exactly does the necklace work? I haven't found any info on how to use it in the manual, but I presume you're supposed to, one way or the other, hook it to the opening which is on one of the sides.


Well I find the sound quality good but that's a personel matter this is my first MP3 player. The inlinerecorder is indeed low if you hook it up to your stereo. If you adjust the volume of the source and the U2 it will be ok. But you've to test it to find a good setting.

The keychain works like this you have to screw that metall thing with the smal lace loose of the keychain and than put the small metal lace extension through the opening of the player and put the metal plate throuh the opening of the small lace. Then screw the metall plate on the keychain. It works good.

But for the VBR problem I ask everyone to send a e-mail to Iaudio so the can solve this problem!

EvilEivind
10-23-2004, 13:33
Actually, I meant line-out, not line-in. But the sound is low regardless!

I've read that the effects should be off though, when plugging it to speakers/a stereo, as the sound can become distorted. Not sure if this also goes for the equalizer.

How exactly does the equalizer work? I know there's one on WinAMP, but I've never used it. It sounds as if it pretty much just makes things louder. So, as I think I mentioned, is it best to have them all turned up? That way, you won't have to have a high volume.

Oh, and thanks for the necklace instructions! Seems to work really well. =)

Vlad Tepes Drac
10-23-2004, 13:37
equalizer lets u adjust the different types of sounds in the songs. Like for rap you would boost the bass level of the eq, or for rock and stuff it would prob be more treble.

it just allows you to play around with some of the different parts of the audio signal (those at different frequencies and stuff)

Dont know if thats a clear explanation or not...might look for some more detailed sites

JMyungRocks
10-24-2004, 11:51
O.k. suggestion, turn off all jet effects and mess with the custom eq. Once you get a sound you are happy with you can check out bbe and mach bass .

Flat on this player, is not going to be as dynamic as the "normal" setting on a cd player which is highly "colored" because most cds players don't have an eq (sony and iriver especially)

here are my settings (keep in mind I like hard rock) eq settings

62 hz + 13
250 hz +7
1 KHZ + 4
4 KHZ + 16
16 KHZ + 18

BBE + 2
MACH BASS + 6
MP ENHANCE - ON
3D + 1

hope this helps!-- scott

oh what headphones did you get?? They always sound better after break-in.

EvilEivind
10-26-2004, 13:39
As always, thanks for the advice and comments. =)

I've been listening to the U2 more, and still not sure about the sound quality, but not had the time yet to do a more thorough test. I'm still not sure about the sound quality -- but one of the reason why I chose iAUDIO was due to their good reviews when it comes to sound quality.

When I've played with the bass, it hasn't seemed too good, only making the music sound a bit more muffled and not really applying any kind of "thump" -- which is good for some genres, but usually not electronica.

I hope I'll be able to do a "serious test" this weekend, or so, where I'll try to compare the quality of playing a song ripped ro WAV to the quality of the same song playing on a DiscMan, and record both songs via line-in on the computer. Does anyone know if this will work well, actually recording from a DiscMan and mp3 unit onto a computer? Or will the recorded sound quality be different than the actual sound quality? I also wondered if the U2 could record itself when playing, but I think this would be impossible, right?

And no one besides me here have had any problems with the sound quality?

Oh, and is there any danger of having your U2 close to a cell/mobile phone?

And when you're using your U2 without any added effects, what is your preferred volume? And in what surroundings? Again, I'd read that this was a pretty loud unit, but without any added effects that doesn't really seem to be true.

As for the headphones I got, they're both listed in my new signature! As mentioned, they may have something to do with the sound as well. The Sony ones... I'm not too impressed with. They fit good, but they seem to have problems handling sharp notes, which may have given me a wrong impression about the sound quality. When using the other pair, the problem doesn't seem too big, but I usually prefer the non-open variant headphone (earphones, or earplugs), at least when travelling.

JMyungRocks
10-26-2004, 19:29
I have to say that both those cans you have will have more definition in the low end after some break in time. I use the px 100's most of the time and my bass is sharp punchy and well defined, both my cd players sound muddy compared to my iaudio probably because of the eq! I can't stand sony megabass .. talk about muddy!!

I have heard complaints about the sound being to "sharp" and not rounded before.

give it some time, the sony ex's sound boomy at first and so do the senns.

Oh and the"thump" you are looking for is usually provided by dynamic bass, which is the mach bass setting.

Also what discman do you have ?, I have a sony ne900 and my iaudios volume output kills it.

EvilEivind
10-31-2004, 12:29
Well, I think I may be warming up more to the sound! Either that, or the headphones or U2 are starting to get "burnt in." Still need to do a more proper test.

But am glad to find that I'm starting to grow more happy with my purchase. =)

As for the DiscMan, I've been using Sony D-E320. Don't really find the base to be very muddy at all.

nahat
12-14-2004, 15:50
Hi
EvilEvind: I have the same problem with my player. The sound quality, is not enough good. Have you found somesthing which helped you, or you get used to the player's sound? I can't get why everybody is sattified with their player.
(I've written a mail to you about this topic, if you have enough time would you reply to me?)

Sirius777
12-16-2004, 05:53
Sound quality not good enough???

So tell me a player which is better.

I never heared a better mp3 player.

Especially electronic music comes brilliant.

The only one I liked as much as this one was the Iriver120.

So, which one's are better?

nahat
12-16-2004, 16:05
Well, i've tried the ifp 790 (iriver) it was better. In all rock music i can hear a big distortion. My player can't play well the low and very high sounds. I don't know why. I use a sennheiser mx 350. Can be the headphone bad, but i don't think.

Helli
12-16-2004, 18:20
hm , the mx 350 (mx300/400/500 sound better, also the sony E888 )is not really a good earphone, but your problem seems to be the distortion. Are you listening very loud with a lot of bassboost ?
Then you will drive any player to the limit, they just have 10..20 mW per channel, thats not very much, but more would bring your earphone to distort.
the low frequencies have the highest energy, and a bit bassboost can eat a lot of power.
If you want it loud , turn all mid frequencies to max, reduce bass,bring MPEnhance, BBE to MAX and play normalized mp3-files... ;-)

nahat
12-16-2004, 23:48
Thx Helli, i'll try it. I don't use the mach3bass or the BBE at all. I use only EQ on "rock" or "pop" or "jazz" set. Can be my player faulty ? Nearly everybody is sattisfide with it's u2, i don't understand it.

Martinp
12-17-2004, 05:00
To me the U2 is one of the best sound flash mp3 players out there.

The amazing EQ options you ahve on this little wonder are insane (1.6 trillion different settings). I think that the bass packs enough punch to blast your ear drums so hard so that you get a headache (on the right headphones).

Sirius777
12-17-2004, 06:02
yes, i totally agree.

I tried many mp3 players, and most of them sounded shity.

(Apart from iriver i din't find anything really good)

But this player blasted me away.

I am totally in love with it and everyone who takes a listen agrees:

Just excellent. Especially for electronic music.

I would send your player back, something must be damaged!

JMyungRocks
12-17-2004, 09:23
My bass is almost too refined, and crystal clear with no mush and lots of punchy low end drive baby!!!! I was just listening to Vintorsorg, Visions from the spiral generator- the explorer (great bass work!)

I used to have a 790 , did they ever get rid of the constant white noise in the background?

nahat
12-18-2004, 08:22
well, can you recommend me a headphone, which is good for the u2? The sennheiser mx 350 is not that good...

JMyungRocks
12-18-2004, 09:31
http://iaudiophile.net/viewtopic.php?id=246 Here is some headphone suggestions.

nahat
12-18-2004, 11:24
thx, the Sony MDR-EX71SL (http://www.audiocubes.com/images/f_sony_mdrex71sl.jpg/) seems to be a good choice. [/url=http://reviews.cnet.com/Koss_The_Plug/4505-6468_7-30235828-2.html?tag=top/]koss the plug[/url] is as i read another good choice, cheeper but has very good bass.
thx again

nahat
12-18-2004, 11:28
sorry...
here are the good urls i wish:)
Sony MDR-EX71SL (http://www.audiocubes.com/images/f_sony_mdrex71sl.jpg)
koss the plug (http://reviews.cnet.com/Koss_The_Plug/4505-6468_7-30235828-2.html?tag=top/)

JMyungRocks
12-18-2004, 15:03
Your welcome , between those 2 I would definatly choose the sony ex71s! Much better sound than the plug (IMO). You should be able to find the ex71's pretty cheap on Amazon .. do a search.

Or if you want a better plug for more $$$ shure e2 is next step up, then e3, then ER-4P , and so on and so on, till you get into hundreds and hundreds of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and you can't believe how much money you are spending on canal phones :O. Just ask austin :)

taz
12-18-2004, 15:20
what about the sennheisers MX 550??? where would they be placed as headphones. ok they aint in ear headphones like the ex71 or the others said, but would they be worth the money. i was thinking of in ear buds but i realised i just keep my m3 ones in 1 ear and as i keep taking them in and out i think in ears would get irritating, so i found the mx550 the best spec headphones.

anyone got them heard about them? suggest any others?

nahat
12-18-2004, 15:42
The problem with the sennheisers is that, they aren't fit to everybody's ear. Now i have a pair of sennheiser mx 350, and honestly i don't like it. They aren't comfortable with my ears. I'm just looking for another headphone. The mx 350's sound quality, bass etc isn't that good either. I can't recommend, but i don't know whether the 550 is better or not.

nonstop5
12-24-2004, 23:40
try the cresyn e700's...my firend has them straight from the jetaudio store and they have nice bass and specs....nice quality recommeneded.