Map for the Cowon S9?

[Gustavo]

Hi there,
I've been reading everywhere and I cannot find anything related to maps for the COWN S9. I know there are some made for the D2, and some say they might work for the S9 as well, but I've tried them with no success.
I know I have found together with a UCI (I think i's called "fun theme" or something) a map of the korean subway, including zoom in and out, draging and dropping function. [confused]
That means maps for S9 are possible right?[yes]
Does anyone have any idea of how to do it, or have any map available for testing?
Thanks a lot in Advance![thumbsup]

[xxmarkosxx]

well,the only thing you have to do is to replace Korean's subway map and put yours....

[tirim4]

D2 map viewer should work too, not fullscreen but look in D2 flash subforum and try it out.

[Insta]

what about jus using the image viewer? :x

[Gustavo]

The Korean subway map is inside the flash file and i have no clue how to edit it.
I've seen several forums for maps for the D2, and none of the maps created there worked on my S9. If someone did, please report it here and what you did differently!
Thank you!

[ItaloDancer]

I´ve tried the D2 maps but they didn´t work... but maybe I did something wrong... just got a blank screen.

[dexterslab]

insta is right.... you making this too hard. save map as an image... jpeg. use zoom slider and your finger to view....

[Gustavo]

Ok, I'll try to save the map as image but i'm not sure if it will work as good as...
I'm afraid if I take a map of a big city and save as one file, the resolution when zooming in might be not very good... I'll let you know when I do that.
Have any of you tried that or you're only guessing?
Thanks.

[missing_no]

insta is right.... you making this too hard. save map as an image... jpeg. use zoom slider and your finger to view....

for some reason the image is not preserved in it's original resolution....it can look blurry

[njen]

for some reason the image is not preserved in it's original resolution....it can look blurry


First of all, if you put an image on the S9, it will keep the original resolution. The S9 does not resize the image. Second, the zoom function, is not linked to the ratio of the size of the image. Meaning that if you zoom in past the original resolution of the image, you will be able to see the pixels. This is all completely normal, and works just like any image editing software like photoshop.

[Miniwintz]

Second, the zoom function, is not linked to the ratio of the size of the image. Meaning that if you zoom in past the original resolution of the image, you will be able to see the pixels. This is all completely normal, and works just like any image editing software like photoshop.
You're wrong. When zooming in high res images with the S9, they don't look as sharp as when you watch them on a computer. In fact it can be very jerky. Just try by yourself, you'll see.

I think the S9's zooming mechanism could be highly improved

[missing_no]

First of all, if you put an image on the S9, it will keep the original resolution. The S9 does not resize the image. Second, the zoom function, is not linked to the ratio of the size of the image. Meaning that if you zoom in past the original resolution of the image, you will be able to see the pixels. This is all completely normal, and works just like any image editing software like photoshop.

well maybe if you actually tried it you'd actaully see it

the resolution is re-sized automatically on the S9, I wish it wasn't true but it is. I'm am prficient in photoshop, so I think I know about resizing, the s9 treats everything as bitmaps it seems only storing the initial unzoomed resolution size.

[njen]

well maybe if you actually tried it you'd actaully see it

the resolution is re-sized automatically on the S9, I wish it wasn't true but it is. I'm am prficient in photoshop, so I think I know about resizing, the s9 treats everything as bitmaps it seems only storing the initial unzoomed resolution size.

If you have actually tried it, you will find that it doesn't it doesn't resize.

Below are three images with alternating lines of colours a pixel wide: black, red, black, blue, black, green, black, yellow and repeat. Each image is a different width, but apart from that, they are all the same.

If you were to take these images into photoshop and resize them to any size, from down to half, to even just 1 pixel smaller, the lines of colour would lose their pure values and become blurred. Try it yourself. But if you load these images onto the S9, you will see that the images are not blurred. On each of these images it is possible to zoom in until you see each line of colour occupying a single row of pixels. Again, if the S9 did resize the images, it would not be possible to see each line of colour in their pure values.

http://motionmagnetic.com/misc/testPattern1.jpg
http://motionmagnetic.com/misc/testPattern3.jpg (http://motionmagnetic.com/misc/testPattern1.jpg)
http://motionmagnetic.com/misc/testPattern2.jpg (http://motionmagnetic.com/misc/testPattern1.jpg)

[Miniwintz]

You're maybe right but some picture (especially pretty high res pictures with text on them) are a lot aliased, even when zooming

[ItaloDancer]

Photos honestly only look (very) good when you zoom to the original resolution.
The zooming should really be improved... or at least get a 1:1 function that will automatically zoom to the original resolution.

[njen]

You're maybe right but some picture (especially pretty high res pictures with text on them) are a lot aliased, even when zooming

When you zoom out of an image in photoshop, photoshop is actually storing multiple zooms of the image in ram that have been pre-antialiased using bilinear filtering, much like mip-mapping in 3D graphics. This is only possible because photoshop is able to store this information in RAM.

Now considering that the S9 has no way near the amount of RAM a computer has, inorder to display the image zoomed out, the S9 does the el-cheapo method by simply not displaying every Nth pixel. Essentially it just discards the information to certain rows and columns so that you can see the whole image.

This is why many images look "jaggy" when zoomed out, as the S9 is not performing any filtering on the zoomed image. This is also further proof that the S9 does not resize images, because it needs the image in the original size to determine which Nth pixels to discard when it's zoomed out.

Consequently, in some tests I've done, the jaggies can actually be significantly reduced by using sizes in multiples of the screen size. Like 960 x 544 (480 x 272 doubled) or 1440 x 816 (480 x 272 tripled), etc. Because when removing every Nth pixel, it can be done uniformly across the whole image.

or at least get a 1:1 function that will automatically zoom to the original resolution.

This is actually a feature I want as well. To be able to go straight to the original resolution with the press of a button. Then again, all it will probably take is for some smart person to write this into a picture.swf file...anyone know enough actionscript to do that?

[missing_no]

When you zoom out of an image in photoshop, photoshop is actually storing multiple zooms of the image in ram that have been pre-antialiased using bilinear filtering, much like mip-mapping in 3D graphics. This is only possible because photoshop is able to store this information in RAM.

Now considering that the S9 has no way near the amount of RAM a computer has, inorder to display the image zoomed out, the S9 does the el-cheapo method by simply not displaying every Nth pixel. Essentially it just discards the information to certain rows and columns so that you can see the whole image.

This is why many images look "jaggy" when zoomed out, as the S9 is not performing any filtering on the zoomed image. This is also further proof that the S9 does not resize images, because it needs the image in the original size to determine which Nth pixels to discard when it's zoomed out.

Consequently, in some tests I've done, the jaggies can actually be significantly reduced by using sizes in multiples of the screen size. Like 960 x 544 (480 x 272 doubled) or 1440 x 816 (480 x 272 tripled), etc. Because when removing every Nth pixel, it can be done uniformly across the whole image.



This is actually a feature I want as well. To be able to go straight to the original resolution with the press of a button. Then again, all it will probably take is for some smart person to write this into a picture.swf file...anyone know enough actionscript to do that?

I second the 1:1 zoom shortcut button as well.

I still don't understand why you are talking about the s9 being able to preserve high res images larger than 480 X 272.

You can blab all the pixel high res gobbilty gook theory you want, but the plain facts are there. You put a picture that looks great on your computer (larger than 480 x 272) put it on you s9 and try and zoom in....It looks like someone rubbed vasoline on your eyes, and you are trying to look at the original image. It needs to be fixed.

[njen]

I second the 1:1 zoom shortcut button as well.

I still don't understand why you are talking about the s9 being able to preserve high res images larger than 480 X 272.

Because it does keep the original image at the original size, no matter what you or I say, that's the facts.

You can blab all the pixel high res gobbilty gook theory you want, but the plain facts are there. You put a picture that looks great on your computer (larger than 480 x 272) put it on you s9 and try and zoom in....It looks like someone rubbed vasoline on your eyes, and you are trying to look at the original image. It needs to be fixed.

First of all, it's obviously not "gobbilty gook theory", as you put it, but plain and simple fact. Second of all, I explained why the image my look jaggy while zooming in, and nothing short of adding in RAM just like a normal computer will change this, unless you want to wait for up to a second or two each time you want to zoom while the bilinear filtering gets calculated. But then you lose the instant appeal of being able to zoom in and out as fast as you want.

I find it funny that you compare a computer with a monitor and RAM, to the screen size and processing power of the S9...what in the world did you expect??? The S9 (or any other PMP device) will ALWAYS be inferior to a computer. That's why these devices have to cut corners. So you gotta choose between instant zooming and discarding every Nth pixel, or higher quality filtered zoomed images, but with a wait time each time you want to zoom in or out. I've had devices that have used either method, and I can say I'd rather the S9 approach, because I found it frustrating waiting for the image to get filtered when zooming, especially at very large resolutions.

[missing_no]

Because it does keep the original image at the original size, no matter what you or I say, that's the facts.



First of all, it's obviously not "gobbilty gook theory", as you put it, but plain and simple fact. Second of all, I explained why the image my look jaggy while zooming in, and nothing short of adding in RAM just like a normal computer will change this, unless you want to wait for up to a second or two each time you want to zoom while the bilinear filtering gets calculated. But then you lose the instant appeal of being able to zoom in and out as fast as you want.

I find it funny that you compare a computer with a monitor and RAM, to the screen size and processing power of the S9...what in the world did you expect??? The S9 (or any other PMP device) will ALWAYS be inferior to a computer. That's why these devices have to cut corners. So you gotta choose between instant zooming and discarding every Nth pixel, or higher quality filtered zoomed images, but with a wait time each time you want to zoom in or out. I've had devices that have used either method, and I can say I'd rather the S9 approach, because I found it frustrating waiting for the image to get filtered when zooming, especially at very large resolutions.

nowhere did i ever compare the PROCESSING POWER of a computer which has upwards of 4-5 times the s9 has to the s9's....what are you reading? That would be a futile argument...

I said it looks good on my computer meaning it can only be the way the s9 decides to un-compress the jpeg is at fault. Not the picture itself. (some aren't at quite the same amount of megapixels or detail) On the s9 It's not just initially waiting a second or two and the picture all of a sudden appears in high res just like the original. IT REMAINS GRAINY FOREVER....EVER...ever..everrrrrrr.

I'd rather actually be able to read the text, and see all the detail no matter if it took a couple of nano seconds or a whole second or 2, but that's just me.

[Gustavo]

Well, I have done what you guys proposed. I saved a large map with a good "zoom in" and saved in my S9. It shows the overview of the map (as the S9 shows the whole picture) and when I zoom in, the street names gets blurred and I can't read it :(
So I guess the solution of creating a flash for the maps is the only good one. Saving it as a picture and zooming in is not a very good option!!!!
So, if any of you ever make a flash which can be used for the S9 (just like it's done for the D2) it would be of great help to everyone.
Unless you want to save several map pics in your S9 and access one by one, that's the only solution I see.
Thank you.

[njen]

On the s9 It's not just initially waiting a second or two and the picture all of a sudden appears in high res just like the original. IT REMAINS GRAINY FOREVER....EVER...ever..everrrrrrr.

ok, so I will attempt to put this in really simple terms:

1. If your image appears jaggy (or grainy, as you put it), then either you haven't zoomed in far enough or the image is simply way too large to be zoomed into (The S9 does have limits).

2. If your image appears blurry, then you have zoomed in too far (greater than 100%).

It's funny, because I can usually find the correct zoom for all of my images so that they don't appear jaggy or blurry, but perfectly clear. The image is fine, and the S9 has not altered it in any way, and it never will. It's all about getting the zoom right.

And this is the last I'll add to this thread. Have fun!

[xoroid]

Wow, if njen only knew what the hell he was talking about. Have you not read what everyone else has said? It seems as if everyone has this problem except you. Do you even have an S9? Fact is this: You can put any JPEG image on the Cowon S9, no matter how big it is and when you zoom in it will look pixelated. I put a massive image on the S9, zoomed in a little and you could already start to see little squares. If Cowon like promoting the S9 with one of its features being a picture viewer with zoom capabilities, maybe thay should say 'shoddy zoom capabilities' as it is well...rubbish.

It's a good thing njen left this thread, he was probably pissing everyone off anyway. 'oooh, I always find the perfect zoom for my pictures' Oh do you really you cock block?

[OnYourMark]

I transferred this JPEG of a map, and my S9 allows me to zoom enough to see the street names and they're perfectly clear.
The zoom bar is a little less than half zoomed.

Of course, zooming more makes it look terrible. It does need a better zoom.

I've also added this 720x1020 image. When the zoom bar is a little more than half zoomed, it looks spectacularly clear. Zooming in more causes the sharp, curved lines of the drawing get a little thrown off, but it's even like that in Windows Photo Gallery. I suppose that would be problematic for most maps.

[doniago]

xoroid's post preceding this one is a great example of how not to speak to your fellow board members.

Thank you to the person(s) who notified me about it.

[Ramzii]

Wow, if njen only knew what the hell he was talking about. Have you not read what everyone else has said? It seems as if everyone has this problem except you. Do you even have an S9? Fact is this: You can put any JPEG image on the Cowon S9, no matter how big it is and when you zoom in it will look pixelated. I put a massive image on the S9, zoomed in a little and you could already start to see little squares. If Cowon like promoting the S9 with one of its features being a picture viewer with zoom capabilities, maybe thay should say 'shoddy zoom capabilities' as it is well...rubbish.


True. Very true indeed.. [shocked]