2souldesign games for s9 [Archive] - iAudiophile.net Forums

santoki

01-14-2009, 02:50

Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if this counts as a direct advertisement, but i'm santoki, also creator of sketchlite series from 2souldesign and would like to say an official "hello."

I just recently purchased a cowon s9 and it's pretty much one of the best platforms to develop flash games for, so we decided on making a huge project devoted to the Cowon s9.

Currently the game is going through its alpha stages currently known as "Shadow Kai" although you can't play the game as of now, we've made a little sneakpeak trailer you can see to kinda get a feel for how the game play will be.

Here is a youtube link: YouTube - shadowkai

You can always find out more about this project at our new website at: www.2souldesign.net (http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/www.2souldesign.net)

I'm trying my best to migrate our old website to this new site, so there might be some delays in terms of new, but we'll do our best to update each week with some new builds for this game.

EDIT:
4.20.09
Added tutorial on using the g-sensor.

EDIT:
8.13.09
Need Alpha testers for a new Tower Defense game! Check out my blog: www.2souldesign.net (http://www.2souldesign.net) for more details!

Hope you'll enjoy http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
Santoki

Uphaillife

01-14-2009, 02:54

Bullseye

01-14-2009, 06:54

Wow pretty nice. Didn't you release any other game for D2?

tirim4

01-14-2009, 07:31

^They didnt, but most flash games for the iriver clix worked great.

BTW, that game looks awesome and really shows the potentials of the S9 for gaming.

santoki

01-14-2009, 11:47

that whole moving system look so fun...

any estimation of when it'll be out? xD i doubt you'd know, but thats one heck of a flash game.

oh btw. hardware buttons also work in flash games. they act like the arrow buttons.
haha, you guessed it. To be honest, I'm not too sure when, but like all of my released games there will be beta releases - function and playable.

Wow pretty nice. Didn't you release any other game for D2?
Only one game has been made specifically for D2 which was a jingaroo alpha download. The reason I wasn't able to focus on the D2 was the lack of a D2 player. As tirim4 mentioned, most clix games happened to work on the D2.

^They didnt, but most flash games for the iriver clix worked great.

BTW, that game looks awesome and really shows the potentials of the S9 for gaming.
Thanks :)
The touch based movement is something we really want to make full use of.

kingkwong

01-14-2009, 12:12

santoki

01-14-2009, 12:48

Nice! Can't wait to see the beta! As a developer, how would you judge the capabilities of the s9? In other words what types of games can we expect given the processing power of the S9. As a Flash animator who does a lot of games for the web I know what the limitations are for that technology but really have no idea what could be done for the S9. Thanks!

I made a post on ABI, but I'll re post with a little more input:
The Cowon s9 is NOT contrary to intuition a flash lite device something the iriver clix, clix2 emulates. I'm not sure about the D2, but the s9 is literally able to use the unabridged version of flash, namely those games you play online. However, this can be a slight handicap as well as there are some vital features in the FlashLite language specifically aimed for mobile devices.

Cons:

No FScommands. (native to mobile devices - eg s9)
Can't use accelometer. It's a bold claim on my part, but there is no function in flash to handle an accelometer. Perhaps in a future release firmware, Cowon will release an API to handle it; but for the timebeing think of the s9 as a computer playing an accelometer flash game - simply put, not possible. (please correct me if wrong!). If it were available, the code would look something like this (An API developed for a chumby system using flashlite (not flash)var getAccelerometer:Function = ["ASnative"](5, 60);version = _accelerometer(0);
timestamp = _accelerometer(1);
currentX = _accelerometer(2);
currentY = _accelerometer(3);
currentZ = _accelerometer(4);
avgX = _accelerometer(5);
avgY = _accelerometer(6);
avgZ = _accelerometer(7);
impactX = _accelerometer(8);
impactY = _accelerometer(9);
impactZ = _accelerometer(10);
impactTime = _accelerometer(11);
Edit: it looks like accelerometer actually works, but it is limited to left down up right, no specific angles.

special commands specific for mobile devices. eg: full screen/quit/etc.

Pros:

More features in the actual flash player over the flashlite player
Easier/Native syntax for programmers
More tutorials for new people to program
Mouse functions can be used
Can control more than 3 movie clips without lagging

Maybe:

XML loading
Loading other flash
Loading external data (txt,jpeg,etc)
Saving data using Persistent data

It's not a list set in stone, but it definitely is the case for the current firmware build. I'm sure if Cowon makes an API for the s9 the Accelerometer can be utilized as it was the case for the above mentioned device - the chumby.

As of now, I see a lot of "finger" games to be made: drag and drop, drag and release, preasure pressing, typing, etc.

In terms of animation, I think as long as you create animation semi-sparingly you should notice no lag. Treat it as a 500mhtz computer :) Less blur and strokes they really use up the resources.

Hope that helps :)

kingkwong

01-14-2009, 17:22

Hey Santoki- thanks for all the info.
Hopefully Cowon will release an API so that the accelerometer can be utilized in games.
Sounds like we will in all likelihood see more puzzley or strategy style games than fast paced arcadey games given the processors limitations.
Thanks for the info and make sure to keep us up to date with your progress!

Uphaillife

01-14-2009, 22:08

hey santoki, if we can somehow get the SWF of a flash game online, and change the dimensions and stuff. would it be playable on the S9? lol. just wondering after you said that it doesn't use the abridged version of flash.

santoki

01-14-2009, 23:03

^ that's true to an extent.

It'll only play flash games created with Action script 2.0 and compiled with version 7 or lower.

You also have a 5mb memory limit

Also the flash may not necessarily accommodate the area of click. For instance, a button. The s9 will only react up to a certain amount of pixels, namely 50 pixels being the "sweet spot."

There's a couple restrictions to consider, but if the flash game you find online meets those requirements - it should work :)

Uphaillife

01-14-2009, 23:24

niiiiiceeeeeee. xD
5mb limit is a lot. i remember i put a 4 mb flash game on the clix 2 and it said file was too big. lol

oh and i dont know if you take requests, but is it possible that you can make a towerdefense flash game :P
like this: http://www.candystand.com/play.do?id=18047

id be up all night playing that.. its so addicting.

santoki

01-15-2009, 17:34

tower defense huh? [thumbsup] I like it. But I think we're planning on finishing this game first before anything is released. Of course if the game is really small we'll push in little ones too :)

Uphaillife

01-15-2009, 17:51

oh haha alright. i shall be waiting :P

btw, if you can implement auto pivot into a flash skin, can you do the same for flash games?

cause ftaka apparently made a auto-pivoting browser that works perfectly fine and browser was only made for portrait.

gorgi

01-16-2009, 08:25

santoki

01-16-2009, 09:19

Thank you for doing such projects. I'm pretty excited on your game after I watched your video.

One little question:
Is it possible for you to make programs like this?
YouTube - BeatMaker: Best iPhone app EVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiNTC6mSrnU&feature=related)

wow! to be totally honest with you, I didn't know such app existed, but I had made my own beat app as my first project for the s9!

Actually I think this iphone app has a better execution of the beat making. And to answer your question, Of course it's possible! If you can actually get me some good percussion beats in a .wav or .mp3 (preferred) I can whip up something very similar to this.

You can check out my extremely personal beat making app on the downloads section. It was a crude way for me to start learning the schematics of the s9's touch sensitivity and drag features - so it's definitely not perfect. Have a try here (http://www.2souldesign.net/downloads/)

santoki

01-16-2009, 14:34

^had to update my post
I stand corrected, the accelerometer can be used, but it is limited to 4 way directional 0,90,180,270 rotation

kingkwong

01-16-2009, 20:10

kingkwong

01-16-2009, 20:27

Oh yeah, and do you think that this is a limitation of the hardware or could the capability be expanded through firmware? Thanks!

sanguine

01-17-2009, 01:54

^had to update my post
I stand corrected, the accelerometer can be used, but it is limited to 4 way directional 0,90,180,270 rotation

that kinda makes sense. When I read your previous post I thought abut how cowon could have implemented coverflow/video pivot in ther flash based interface if they couldn't acces the g-sensor via flash :D

santoki

01-17-2009, 03:01

Interesting. Take for example a driving game. Can it sense varying degrees of a turn or is it only 'yes it is turning right" or "no it is not turning right'. That lack of subtlety would make it difficult to make anything too robust.

A very good question, and to be honest with you I'm not 100% sure - haha.
Looking at the documents and the behavior I've seen so far. It seems like a mere boolean - true/false functions as opposed to measured angles.

Oh yeah, and do you think that this is a limitation of the hardware or could the capability be expanded through firmware? Thanks!

Because I don't know the hardware behind the s9 I couldn't tell you positively, but if I had to guess I would have to unfortunately say - no. I hope I'm wrong though D:

Nevertheless, a smart programmer can definitely emulate a tilt/ measured movement.
For instance adding a gravity/friction engine that would slowly add to the object of concentration more acceleration as the s9 tilts to one direction. :)

Allen

01-18-2009, 01:49

That was a wonderful little beat game! Well done santoki, I am looking forward to your future projects.

Uphaillife

01-19-2009, 00:24

can't anyone just make a flash game that tests accelerometer and just establish whether it works or not instead of discussing it whether it works. lol. or is that not possible?

csgunner17

01-19-2009, 01:00

it probably does work but will take time because flash game devs dont know how to yet. and i want to make a flash game how do i do it and what do i need, i wanna make some mostly for the s9 kinda like this http://www.addictinggames.com/tanks.html

just sayig a lot of people say that ipod is a better for games but not really true, with a better processor and flash i think s9 is better (random) lol

PowerTorsk

01-22-2009, 18:20

Hey! That seemed like fun! :) I'd be having fun for real with that app! Unlike some other boring games :P

Lysander Theraux

01-30-2009, 23:56

Santoki, that seems like a really good game to have on the S9.
I was wondering if it would be possible to create it so that there could be a mute button for in game sounds in the event that we would like to listen to our music WHILE playing the game?
I'm not even sure if that's a possibility, but it's a thought.

missing_no

01-31-2009, 18:16

Muskstick

01-31-2009, 20:34

can't anyone just make a flash game that tests accelerometer and just establish whether it works or not instead of discussing it whether it works. lol. or is that not possible?

I'll have a try when I eventually get mine, haven't learnt actionscript yet but it doesn't seem like too difficult a language to learn.

Kizune

02-07-2009, 05:25

Lysander Theraux

02-07-2009, 10:48

The accelerometer only releases 4 values: 0, 1, 2, 3.
Not more.
That means you can only get 0°, 180°, 270°, 360°.

I haven't created a flash app yet which tests that, but the UCI source code says all.

So what you're trying to say is that a tilt function can not be implemented? Like the way it is implemented in "Beer Pong" on the itouch, if you've ever seen or played THAT game? (I was hoping I wouldnt have to make such a comparison [no])

Kizune

02-07-2009, 11:13

The only thing I know is that what I said; You can only get the 4 directions I said, no more.
Maybe it is possible to create a game whith a tilt function, but I'm not sure.

santoki

02-09-2009, 01:35

I guess you could emulate a crude tilt... try this thought:

Since there is only a quad-directional emulation you could set some sort of directional timer.
By tilting to the 90* position you could set the up vector variable to add itself by one. As you continue to hold the up direction the up vector will quickly exponentially grow. This will give some sort of artificial emulation of a tilt, but of course is flawed. just a thought. :P

santoki

04-20-2009, 10:30

I've made a tutorial on how to use the g-sensor on the s9.

I've included two files.
One is a really basic file that simply tells the user where the sensor "senses." It's basic enough that anyone can tweak it without dissecting through so many codes.

The other file consists of a fun little sim-like ball that you can play around with. The three variables you can play with is the fall speed (gravity), friction (roll), and bounce_power (power after hitting boundary).

2souldesign.net (http://www.2souldesign.net/)

Hope that post was helpful. http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

gorgi

04-20-2009, 15:34

Thanks a lot man!
But somehow I can't load your homepage^^ Maybe the server is quite busy at the moment^^

Uphaillife

04-20-2009, 17:54

wow.... it works... o.o.

sacramento

04-20-2009, 18:18

I've made an icon for use in Claws Wallpaper UI for your g-sensor ball application, for more icons, see here. (http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27448)

santoki

04-20-2009, 18:27

nice haha :)

the icon looks more hi-tech than the actual app - haha.

sacramento

04-20-2009, 18:29

Thanks, coding is my weakness despite being a computer science student. :D
I like to think I'm good with graphics and such.

bashibash

04-21-2009, 06:25

so is it now all gonna be shadowkai?

santoki

04-21-2009, 08:15

haha, if there is no urgent need of another app/tutorial, I think Shadow Kai would like to be worked on. :)

bashibash

04-21-2009, 08:54

oh yes please!

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 16:24

Kizune

04-24-2009, 16:41

The return values are between -255 and 255.

Here the scenarios I did:

S9 lying (screen top):
X: 0
Y: 0
Z: -255

S9 lying (screen bottom):
X: 0
Y: 0
Z: 255

S9 holding vertical (play button top):
X: -255
Y: 0
Z: 0

S9 holding vertical (play button bottom):
X: 255
Y: 0
Z: 0

S9 holding horizontal (play button right):
X: 0
Y: 255
Z: 0

S9 holding horizontal (play button left):
X: 0
Y: -255
Z: 0

Hope that helps^^

Azeroth101

04-24-2009, 17:52

thats a cool app but it can't match so many free flash games for the S9 out there.

santoki

04-24-2009, 18:02

Just in case you haven't seen it yet, the latest beta firmware has a game on it that uses the accelerometer sensing various degrees, with extreme sensitivity. It may be in your interests to check out the decompiled files and see if you can find out how this is done.

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpost.php?p=233456&postcount=93

- Caleb

Thanks. I went through the code and was able to get a working game using the new firmware :)
The tracking is extremely good.

thats a cool app but it can't match so many free flash games for the S9 out there.

[cry]

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 18:06

Don't let the trolls hurt your feelings! To be honest, the only flash app's that I use on my S9 are gridlock, and your little ball demo lol

santoki

04-24-2009, 18:10

haha i was jk.

I'm making a new game utilizing the new firmware's g-sensor ability.
I think it'll be fun.

Man... I feel sorry for Shadow Kai... I hope it will finish.

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 18:16

haha i was jk.

I'm making a new game utilizing the new firmware's g-sensor ability.
I think it'll be fun.

Man... I feel sorry for Shadow Kai... I hope it will finish.

I don't know if you saw my chatbox message or not, but how hard would it be to update the ball app to reflect the g-sensor accuracy?

Would it be as simple as copy/paste from the S9 game that was released? Or something more in depth and complex?

santoki

04-24-2009, 18:28

It's really a copy and paste, but I would like to add a whole new interface to the ball app that will make it more of a game. :)

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 18:50

It's really a copy and paste, but I would like to add a whole new interface to the ball app that will make it more of a game. :)

Would you be willing to copy/paste it to the current one, just to hold me over until you get the game finished?

I won't ask again after this if you say no.. I'm just eager lol. :)

santoki

04-24-2009, 19:33

haha okay okay... how about this. Would you mind it being an alpha build?

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 19:40

haha okay okay... how about this. Would you mind it being an alpha build?

No way would I mind! [excited]

da1writer

04-24-2009, 19:51

No way would I mind! [excited]
lol, you are more persistent than even me :P! I email Cowon almost every week and I know they are sick of my emails by giving me the standard message "We will direct your email to our Cowon Team in Korea, thank you for your time in writing to us of your concerns."

santoki

04-24-2009, 19:57

Alright... with alpha builds there's just one rule and one request.

1. Please do not share the file, no matter what. Which includes, but not limited to uploading to a server, privately sending to another person, etc. (you may take screen shot, pictures, video)

1. If you dl it. Let me know what you think comments and critiques. :)

I say this just because the game is not finished and really does not portray my programming quality.

Anyway here's the link:
http://2souldesign.net/download/ballgame.zip *
* link will be taken out soon

If for some reason the link is taken out before you get to play with it don't worry a better one will be released shortly.

PM me for the password. :>

Caleb369

04-24-2009, 20:01

Yessssssss!!!!!
Thank you!!! :D

I will definitely let you know what I think of it. :D

Thanks again!

And da1writer... shhh.... lol
You're making me feel bad..

da1writer

04-24-2009, 22:23

Yessssssss!!!!!
Thank you!!! :D

I will definitely let you know what I think of it. :D

Thanks again!

And da1writer... shhh.... lol
You're making me feel bad..
lol, didn't mean to [blush]!
At least you got a game out of it... that I can try also [devil]!

Uphaillife

04-24-2009, 22:32

wow. its not laggy. this is PERFECT. we can start making more epic games :)

Caleb369

04-25-2009, 10:56

Exactly!
The only thing that kind of bugs me about this one is the fact that the ball resets every time you touch a wall. I am not sure if this is going to be your method for the final build, but I thought I would mention it.

The game right off the bat reminds me of Labyrinth.
YouTube - Labyrinth - iPhone and iPod Touch Game

Other than that, I am really looking forward to the final release! I will probably kill my S9 battery every day playing with this lol

Insta

04-25-2009, 11:49

I was playing that on my friend's itouch the other day... kind of frustrating (it was really hard), but still pretty fun lol

Duff Man

04-26-2009, 04:07

when my player is exactly horizontal the ball rolls to the right...

Insta

04-26-2009, 07:37

4DThinker

04-26-2009, 08:26

I'd love to see the blobs/physics app on the S9. You make a dot or line or blob and they bounce around the screen as you tilt it, colliding/interacting as if they were solid objects.

santoki

04-26-2009, 09:33

Santoki, if you need an idea for a simple game involving the g-sensor, pong would be a pretty cool start. It could be just like regular pong except you use the g-sensor to move the slider. The same could be done with a "Brick Breaker" type game.

Hey there's an idea :)
I'll see what I can do.

I'd love to see the blobs/physics app on the S9. You make a dot or line or blob and they bounce around the screen as you tilt it, colliding/interacting as if they were solid objects.

Nice :) I'll see what I can do about that.

Caleb369

04-26-2009, 10:04

when my player is exactly horizontal the ball rolls to the right...

You need to hold the player parallel to the floor before you start the flash app. It reads whatever level you are holding it as 'flat' when you start it, so the ball does not immediately start rolling.

Warhawk

04-26-2009, 12:01

NVM, stupid normal windows decompresser didn't show a needed password, sending a pm. :D

Tizmin556

04-26-2009, 13:18

Santoki, would any simple 3D flash games work with the S9?

santoki

04-26-2009, 20:00

I'm not sure about 3D, perhaps, but I'm sure a simple parallax photo effect would work with the new g-sensor. ;)

Warhawk

04-26-2009, 20:09

Wow that game is super sensitive!

Tizmin556

04-27-2009, 01:59

Thanks, i hope 3D would work :o)

Tizmin556

04-27-2009, 10:28

It would be great to have a helicopter game using the g-sensor, like the one in one of the game packs where you have to click to fly up, only better and maybe with shooting foes.

silvos3189

04-27-2009, 14:54

or a racing game with the g-sensor

Houle_Marauder

04-28-2009, 01:29

this is insanity. easily the best app or game ever developed for the S9, and one that shows its true potential! I agree that it would be fun to play without the ball resetting, but I also kind of like it...maybe make it an option?

Tizmin556

04-28-2009, 02:00

I know it's only in it's alpha stages but i've found the most awesome bug. If you turn the player 90 degrees from when the ball is stationary you blast through all walls and find youself at the oposite side of the screen!

Also how long do you think it will be before we see the next verson?

Caleb369

04-30-2009, 19:53

No update for four days.. My ears are burning :D

Tizmin556

05-01-2009, 01:56

Same, perhaps we'll get hit with something big!

Tizmin556

05-03-2009, 03:12

Santoki, any updates???

santoki

05-03-2009, 17:10

santoki is in university study for finals mode :(

I'm sorry friends. Two weeks until apps/games start to pour in, but for now I have to study.

Wish me luck please :)

FYI: I'm actually in the process of making a cool g-sensor game not related to the labyrinth idea (that was just a teaser).

Uphaillife

05-03-2009, 17:20

:O good luck!

Houle_Marauder

05-03-2009, 19:57

best of luck man, I'm in the same situation. thanks for the great work, we look forward to hearing more from you.

Caleb369

05-03-2009, 20:27

Warhawk

05-03-2009, 21:22

Ahh right after they release the new firmware with the new stuff with the g-sensor...

Well good luck with your finals! :)

Insta

05-03-2009, 22:15

Good luck!! [laugh]

gibo909

05-04-2009, 15:24

Wow, it looks like you guys know what you're talking about!

I'm certainly impressed by the potential of the demo you posted. Looks like we're gonna have a game to rival those on the Ipod touch!

One question, in the future, once we/you have a better grasp of how the inner working on the cowon s9 work, would it be possible to make a game similar to LoccoRoco that would make use of the G-sensor? I know that it may seem like an ambitious/arrogant request, but it's just something I would love to see on the S9!

Many thanks, and good luck with the game development!

Mr. Popo

05-04-2009, 19:31

that would be amazing!!!!!!!

Tizmin556

05-05-2009, 02:03

Good luck !

andddroid

05-05-2009, 12:08

can yo give me a password to archive with ballgame?

Nirvana1000

05-09-2009, 14:38

you need a 300-400 dollar program called Macromedia flash MX :)
and good knowledge of programming in actionscript
And why wouldn't Cowon have that or get it if they don't?With a PMP like the S9 i think Cowon should have had their shit together and have iTouch like apps on it already or at least available! [cursing]

caz

05-16-2009, 12:14

hey santoki, any efforts in creating your hunting game?

tirim4

05-16-2009, 13:30

And why wouldn't Cowon have that or get it if they don't?With a PMP like the S9 i think Cowon should have had their shit together and have iTouch like apps on it already or at least available! [cursing]

Cowon have never advertised the S9 as a player with lots of good apps. More like that it have flash support if anyone want to make a game or two. Be happy for what you get, there isnt any portable media player with any way near the ammount of apps for iPod touch. Cowon makes great mediaplayers, iPod touch is more of a internet tablet/gaming console.

Nirvana1000

05-16-2009, 16:06

Cowon have never advertised the S9 as a player with lots of good apps. More like that it have flash support if anyone want to make a game or two. Be happy for what you get, there isnt any portable media player with any way near the ammount of apps for iPod touch. Cowon makes great mediaplayers, iPod touch is more of a internet tablet/gaming console.
I am happy with the S9 player.It has great sound quality and great video.Let me elaborate.My point is that Cowon has the potential to make more profit and have more customers.If they would improve their firmware!And people have been putting up with this ever since they have been around.I'm not saying to follow apple.Just make their firmware up to date and user friendly.There is no other company that has their customers improving their firmware for them except Cowon.I'm sure a lot of other Cowon customers would agree with me.I think they are just lazy and complacent!!PS.I don't "be happy with what i get".I have the right to complain,especially if it's relevant!And they don't advertise the S9 as a limited flash based payer.It's advertised as a Personalized Media Player.

XXL-Music

05-16-2009, 17:17

Personal Media Player. No, no sign of apps there.

A lot of good apps on the iTouch are available because they can charge money for it. You can't do that for the S9.

Nirvana1000

05-16-2009, 17:47

Never mind the apps.I would be happy if they really put some effort into their firmware.Mind you the S9,to my knowledge is an improvement in previous firmware for their players.The thing that bugs me is we have to rely on each other to improve the themes,UCI's,and whatever has to do with firmware,instead of Cowon providing us with that.[confused]

da1writer

05-16-2009, 20:49

Nirvana1000

05-16-2009, 21:57

@ Nirvana1000: Are you a previous ipod/ itouch/ iphone owner? Reason I ask is because these type of owners EXPECT TOO MUCH from other companies! The Cowon S9 is actually categorized on Cowons website in the MP3 Category. This means It's bent on Music and video is secondary, everything else is an after thought.

The cowon S9 EXCEEDS 100x over in audio quality compared to anything made by Apple and the Cowon S9's Video screen of the AMOLED is better than ANY DEVICE currently. Cowon's S9 also gave us the users the ability to customize the Cowon S9 anyway we want, it's up to us in how creative and unique we want the device to be.

With Flash and the G-Sensor, we can make some unique features and games (santoki is very talented here). I and many other personally like the games we find that work well on the Cowon S9 and the games enhanced by some people on this forum is great and I appreciate cowon releasing some apps but they gave us the freedom to do whatever we want (even updated the G-sensor for more directions).

Personally unlike Apple, I like the freedom Cowon gives us, not tied to software, customize the Cowon anyway we want. We love Cowon's sound signature, fantastic screens, freedom to customize anyway we want. You gotta take those strengths and love them. Don't point at apple products, this forum is just not that (iaudiophile= Cowon), turning the thread from Sontaki's work to off topic comparing posts (we do have a compare thread), I'm surpised Sontaki is not upset over how this thread is veering offtopic (or why a mod hasn't stepped in yet).

What's even more surprising is you Nirvana1000 constantly complain about the Cowon S9 and your many (ALL) of your posts are directed at bombing Cowon, it literally sounds like you are the ONLY one here who doesn't like Cowon products. I love Cowon's products, especially the Cowon S9, and would never go to other products (I'm spoiled by the AMOLED screen).

Anyway, That's all I need to say, I'm tired...
Point taken,but your very much exaggerating and mistaken.But let me clarify.No i'm not new to Cowon products and agree the sound quality of their products would never dissappoint a true audiophile or music enthusiast.I have had the D2,iAudio 7 and now the S9.And i also have and had iPods.I'm not complaining about the hardware at all.I have never complained about sound quality or anything hardware related.By the way,i have only posted 3 complaints about Cowon's firmware plus rebuttals.I do like their products very much,but now i understand why they keep releasing their great players with their limited and very basic firmware.Because of this forum and the fact the more experienced UCI creators are happy to do Cowons work for them.I think i have a valid point and i expressed it.I believe when a great sounding PMP like the S9 is released,it should be accompanied by great firmware.And i shouldn't have to go to a forum to see what other S9 owners are doing to improve it.This is a forum right?And i'm not the only one who has complained."We must agree to disagree."

da1writer

05-16-2009, 22:15

Point taken,but your very much exaggerating and mistaken.But let me clarify.No i'm not new to Cowon products and agree the sound quality of their products would never dissappoint a true audiophile or music enthusiast.I have had the D2,iAudio 7 and now the S9.And i also have and had iPods.I'm not complaining about the hardware at all.I have never complained about sound quality or anything hardware related.By the way,i have only posted 3 complaints about Cowon's firmware plus rebuttals.I do like their products very much,but now i understand why they keep releasing their great players with their limited and very basic firmware.Because of this forum and the fact the more experienced UCI creators are happy to do Cowons work for them.I think i have a valid point and i expressed it.I believe when a great sounding PMP like the S9 is released,it should be accompanied by great firmware.And i shouldn't have to go to a forum to see what other S9 owners are doing to improve it.This is a forum right?And i'm not the only one who has complained."We must agree to disagree."

It's not categorized as a PMP... it's catergorized as a MP3 Player. I personally like how claw has made the S9 bigger in customization than we all can ever imagine and prefer that cowon just pump out their firmware like usual and not cater to everyone's wants and needs, they actually don't HAVE to pop out updates at all, they merely do to keep the fans happy. If Cowon tried to do EVERYTHING (like Apple tries to do), there wouldn't be ANY creativity on this forum whatsoever. This forum probably wouldn't exist and Santoki wouldn't need to pop out games for us because Cowon would have already done it. Cowon's devices are unique not only because of Cowon but the awesome community here with their great creativitiy. Don't presume that Cowon should cater to the American market, they are from Korea after all, they don't have to send us updates to their products or even give us their devices at all (I appreciate that they do though). I'm not saying that it's not alright to complain but there's a point in when complaining about the community is doing more than Cowon is just not right. Look at Apple for example, did they MAKE Quake and Doom for their devices available to use for the community, NO, it was the COMMUNITY that made that happen. The mp3/PMP community will always outdo the original makers sometimes and that's quite alright, I embrace creativity and so do many others on this forum.

sigh... can we get back on topic...

Nirvana1000

05-16-2009, 22:48

"I'm not saying that it's not alright to complain but there's a point in when complaining about the community is doing more than Cowon is just not right."- da1writer. It's exactly right!Like i said we must agree to disagree.I am definitely for creativity and this forums developers,or else we would be stuck with their updates.But that is my whole point as i explained.I have complimented Claw a couple of times.He is great.But for all you know Cowon executives could be laughing their asses off at us right now.

doniago

05-16-2009, 22:49

Get back on-topic folks. This is a Warning.

Caleb369

05-16-2009, 22:57

Get back on-topic folks. This is a Warning.

You're the water to my flame. [wink]

doniago

05-16-2009, 23:26

Funny, normally I'm the one being called the Flamer. :)

santoki

05-17-2009, 00:27

haha. Can I reset this topic by saying, "I'm baaack!" :)
I'll be working on this new gsensor game extensively this week and try getting it out asap.

Uphaillife

05-17-2009, 00:49

WOOT. :) wellcome back! how was your test?

santoki

05-17-2009, 09:32

haha, I personally though I did well ;)
Grades will be revealed in a week - haha.

caz

05-22-2009, 14:03

any news? i was wondering if the new game you create will be a hack n slay?

santoki

05-23-2009, 00:39

I think that hack and slay is Shadow Kai (currently on hold), the new one is kinda more along the lines of shoot and boom. ;)

Tizmin556

05-23-2009, 03:31

any ideas when you'll get the g-sensor game out?

caz

05-24-2009, 11:48

I think that hack and slay is Shadow Kai (currently on hold), the new one is kinda more along the lines of shoot and boom. ;)

well, i'm interested in both of these two games. they seem to be very nice! actually, i can't wait for shadow kai. got some ideas for it. but since i'm not a flash programmer i can't do something and send you it^^

Tizmin556

05-24-2009, 11:51

^you could suggest them.

caz

05-25-2009, 08:41

may i have time within the next few days to do so.. but for now i'm very busy. ;-)

santoki

05-27-2009, 15:11

Just a few more tweaks with the code here and there and I'll be releasing that s9 game shortly.

There's a few bugs I just can't seem to debug, but I'll release the game (beta, of course) with some information on that, otherwise, it's coming.

I'll be working on it until tonight and release it within the next 24 hours. :)

Tizmin556

05-27-2009, 16:31

Cool, thanks for the update!

34.50

05-27-2009, 16:39

Woohoo, can't wait. Good luck on debugging code, I know what a pain that can be.

sacramento

05-27-2009, 17:19

[excited]

santoki

05-28-2009, 01:02

Ok! It's showtime guys :)

The new game is called Flight.
Yes, I know. A very simple name. It's still in its early stages in style, effect and play. However, it still holds a lot of the most basic functions of the game and will be expanded based off of what you can do at the present beta.

There's one powerup (Matrix "bullet time-like") and two types of enemies at the moment, but it should still be fun until the next beta builds arrive. I should also note that every beta build will be coming out every weekend, unless otherwise mentioned.

So check it out at my blog. :)

tlo001

05-28-2009, 01:13

Sweet, this game is really cool :) A high score board would be nice if you haven't thought about adding that already. Cant wait for the next release.

Ilmadic

05-28-2009, 03:02

what a nice game. it's so much fun to play it.
thank's

Tizmin556

05-28-2009, 03:16

Thanks, the game is awesome!

gorgi

05-28-2009, 05:12

Very nice game. And it's fullscreen [thumbsup]
I love to play it, but it's a bit hard to control. Can't wait for the updates

caz

05-28-2009, 06:42

yeah! seems to be very funny. gonna test it today on my s9 :-D nice graphics tough.. can't wait for the other game you started... if i have time i'll send you some ideas or post them here this weekend ;-) well, only if you want :-D

Warhawk

05-28-2009, 06:48

This game is awesome!

Very smooth and good looking.
Can't wait for future updates.

34.50

05-28-2009, 08:36

Awesome job, the only thing I can notice is that when it's going in slow-mo and there's many ships trying to shoot at you, it has frame rate issues.

whrbals

05-28-2009, 08:37

Great work santoki ^.^ Really fun to play.
Is there any plan to implement music or sound to the game? This would be a great addition... Keep up the great work~!

Houle_Marauder

05-28-2009, 12:27

yep--a couple bugs, but this is a great idea, and it's definitely a cool game. great work!

PowerTorsk

05-28-2009, 18:02

Uh, what blog? Link anyone? Sorry, I obviously missed something.

da1writer

05-28-2009, 18:06

Uh, what blog? Link anyone? Sorry, I obviously missed something.
http://www.2souldesign.net/

Akool

05-29-2009, 07:02

wow this game is really cool! it reminds me of them old top down helicopter games where there is a scrolling landscape with other helicopters/anti air guns attacking you... good fun :D

sacramento

06-03-2009, 17:31

Santoki, this is a great game, really really good stuff. I made an icon for it.
(60x65) transparent background.

Warhawk

06-05-2009, 07:06

v1.01b (http://www.2souldesign.net/2009/06/flight-weekly-builds/) is out.

bashibash

06-05-2009, 12:28

thank you!

bug:
when you grabbed the slowmotion power-up, you're highscore is not saved... really annoying...

Warhawk

06-05-2009, 15:38

thank you!

bug:
when you grabbed the slowmotion power-up, you're highscore is not saved... really annoying...

I noticed that too, but if you exit out of the game to the mainmenu, and go back, it will update it.
Works for me at least.

Tizmin556

06-14-2009, 10:29

Santoki, will there be a public beta for Shodow Kai any time soon?

Warhawk

06-14-2009, 11:33

Santoki, will there be a public beta for Shodow Kai any time soon?

He's out for the weekend, and he said unless he gets wifi somewhere, the update will be monday or something.

Tizmin556

06-14-2009, 12:13

^Thanks

DragothD

06-14-2009, 12:39

With santoki's marble madness game, what are the fla and as files that come with the download? Sorry, I know very little about flash stuff and things like that.

caz

06-14-2009, 14:22

He's out for the weekend, and he said unless he gets wifi somewhere, the update will be monday or something.

i'm not quite sure if you got him wrong. he asked about the Shadow Kai and not for the Flight..

@DragothD: well, the as file i don't know. but the fla file is for programmers. not important if you only want to use the swf..

Tizmin556

06-14-2009, 15:44

It did seem a little odd, but never the less Santoki won't be able to reply today anyway.

Warhawk

06-14-2009, 22:03

Oh sorry, didn't notice.

I thought he stopped shadow kai?

bashibash

06-18-2009, 01:11

update:
http://www.2souldesign.net/

caz

06-18-2009, 07:06

Oh sorry, didn't notice.

I thought he stopped shadow kai?

yeah shadow kai is now on hold :)

Warhawk

06-19-2009, 10:04

Hmm I'm not sure if I want to download that update.

My S9 never freezes or lags, I wish he would keep adding more stuff instead of supposedly making it faster, or at least have 2 versions, 1 for speed and 1 for more stuff.

santoki

06-19-2009, 10:26

I'll take that into consideration.
My experience with "laggy" games has always been unimpressive, but if content is the more preferred, I'll see what I can do.

This next update should be a bit better since I'm not going on a weekend vacation.

Tizmin556

06-19-2009, 14:44

Santoki, could you give a few clues as to what this "bonus side game" is about.

santoki

06-19-2009, 20:11

Santoki, could you give a few clues as to what this "bonus side game" is about.

Actually... I'm lost. [blush] Did I say bonus game? In which context did I say that?

bashibash

06-20-2009, 03:24

I’m back and will try my best to continue with the weekly updates and as an added bonus be creating another side game

Tizmin556

06-20-2009, 03:26

In your blog post "Back in town!" at the bottum first paragraph.

santoki

06-20-2009, 07:49

I must've missed that.
Yes, you're absolutely right. It's not as polished, but I'll get it out asap. It was a game that had a few concepts worthwile to be played for.

bashibash

06-20-2009, 07:58

do you know when the new version will be released?
can't wait for it!

Tizmin556

06-20-2009, 12:03

Nice, does it include the g-sensor?

santoki

06-20-2009, 12:05

Nice, does it include the g-sensor?
At the time, I didn't know how to use the g-sensor, but I'll see what I can do about it. The game is kind of like a "hockey puck" game in that you flick a disk at enemies.... haha

santoki

06-20-2009, 12:06

do you know when the new version will be released?
can't wait for it!

The new game? I'd say it's not ready for prime time, but I can always release a private beta like the other app.

The game Flight will be going through a major version update. v1.1! It'll skip v1.03-1.09
It's going to be a huge difference. Coming next week and on time hopefullly :)

Tizmin556

06-20-2009, 13:34

Thanks

Warhawk

06-26-2009, 07:12

1.1 (http://www.2souldesign.net/download/2SD_Flightv1.1.zip=) is out!

nv88

06-26-2009, 12:08

Very fast and smooth. Unfortunately it locked up my S9 after the 3rd or 4th time I got killed. My unit wouldn't power off. I had to use reset to get out of it. I'm running firmware 2.30.

santoki

06-26-2009, 12:26

Very fast and smooth. Unfortunately it locked up my S9 after the 3rd or 4th time I got killed. My unit wouldn't power off. I had to use reset to get out of it. I'm running firmware 2.30.

That's the big bug I've always wondered about, I'm beginning to think it's due to all the functions that have been initiated.
This means the S9 can handle only so much information at once... :(

nigahiga

06-26-2009, 22:46

no offense to cowon but for the flight game the plane moves around more smoothly than the hunter game, i dont know why

Uphaillife

06-27-2009, 01:14

thats a cool app but it can't match so many free flash games for the S9 out there.

it's a cool app that only cool people can make. anyways if you dont like the flash game, go dl the ones in the internet and throw it in your S9 and perhaps you'll understand why they seem so "limited" compared to the ones online

GeGeGwAdA

06-28-2009, 14:50

I'm really impressed by the improvements since the last version. This game is getting better and better, and it's one of the best S9 game so far. So first of all thanks Santoki for this nice application [thumbsup] .

Also, I have some suggestions :
-Why not also use the [-] button to shoot ? It would be more comfortable then press the screen (and if you can shoot the two ways its even better you can choose)
-Secondly, even if I can close the game by pressing the play button (using Claw's Wallpaper) it would be nice to have a simple exit fonction in the main menu.
-The last thing is about the main menu too. It would be nice to have a magnify or highlight effect on the main menu while scrolling/touching to let you know exactly what you're selecting.

santoki

06-28-2009, 16:00

Thanks for the comments! :)

I'll take note of those suggestions.
This was a huge update that took a lot of free time from me, a lot of the updates from now will be much smaller, but will gradually improve over time.

When that inertia to make a major update like last time occurs, I hope it can match that of the latest update.
[thumbsup]

bashibash

06-28-2009, 16:14

the drones are so annoying :D

orion119net

06-28-2009, 17:03

awesome update!

I liked it better without the starry background, but other than that it is pretty good(though it slowed down a lot when I had a lot of explosions going on...).

santoki

06-28-2009, 17:13

It's a trade off.

Most of the complaints was that there was no action, so the equivalent trade of more action is more lag. :/

Glad you liked it though.

Uphaillife

06-28-2009, 18:04

after playing flight... i kind of want cowon to add the ability to play multiplayer games using bluetooth... that would be so sweet. then perhaps someone could make a flash party game. HOLY crap im ingenious! (not really)

and santoki, i have a question: does the S9 lag (when playing any flash games) because there are too many things appearing and working on the screen at once or because the flash game is too big

no offense to cowon but for the flight game the plane moves around more smoothly than the hunter game, i dont know why
i think its becasue there's about 30 balls coming at you... and santoki's game has only 4-10 things on the screen

nigahiga

06-28-2009, 19:41

ya thts tru

santoki

06-28-2009, 19:51

I thought that would be sweet to, but seeing that the bluetooth function doesn't allow files to be transferred makes me think we're stuck with single player mode. [no]

Nevertheless, I think flash lags because of the computation that is required for every little loop of action per object. So more the object with a looped action, the more cpu intensive.

A little freebie information about Flight's backend-programming:
The reason why some crafts don't deal damage to the hero when you crash into them is because that would mean one more additional loop of action while the craft is visible on the screen.

Here's an English version of what a single plane does:
Appears on screen.
{Move Down 2 pixels, did I reach end of screen? Nope. Check where Hero is, calculate and record it. Adjust rotation to aim at hero. Check if time to shoot. Nope. Is Hero touching me? If so Blow him and I up. Is a bullet touching me? Nope.
} All that inside the bracket for one Frame Per second. And this game runs at 27 FPS. That's just one unique craft, imagine how that will add up computationally for a device only meant to play sound or movies.
:P

hehe. that was for free :)

Uphaillife

06-28-2009, 21:34

we are stuck with single player mode but if we annoy the crap out of cowon im sure they'll give it to us.. ;) just kidding.
anyways, im loving this update. its hella fun.

oh and also, there's no way to have a moving background at least? so it feels like we're actually going some place. ahha
just like a lonnnng wallpaper moving down and when you reach the boss it stops moving

Diarrg

06-29-2009, 08:53

Yes, programming animation is never fun. I've never done it in Flash, but the languages I have programmed it in were a nightmare if I wanted any kind of playability. Optimization for the win!

Anyways, I had an idea for the bullets. Instead of firing straight up, why not fire towards wherever you touched on the screen? They can fire at an angle, so why can't we? It's a great game, though, and definitely in my top 3.

gorgi

08-11-2009, 07:27

Wow, nothings happening here although santoki is back on developing sick new games [thumbsup]
This thread needs a push.
http://www.2souldesign.net/
http://www.2souldesign.net/
http://www.2souldesign.net/

Tower Defense [laugh][excited]

Ilmadic

08-11-2009, 08:19

yeah he's back

santoki

08-13-2009, 17:44

My latest game of Tower Defense for the s9 will need some balancing and other glitch finding.

If you would like to be one of the few to try it before everyone else check out my blog (http://www.2souldesign.net/)! (http://www.2souldesign.net/)

Hurry, there's only 20 spots open (First Come, First Serve).

nigahiga

08-13-2009, 21:01

cant wait till its done tested

X5LOwner

08-16-2009, 02:21

I just applied! I can't wait to test it...

Uphaillife

08-16-2009, 03:27

hrm. i wonder when he is going to tell us who got in.

i saw this post about 10 minutes after he posted it... so eager to try it...

santoki

08-16-2009, 20:34

hrm. i wonder when he is going to tell us who got in.

i saw this post about 10 minutes after he posted it... so eager to try it...

haha, don't worry anyone who has applied until now has an alpha membership.
There's only a few more spots now, I will be closing it as soon as the last few are filled and then the alpha game will be sent out to those alpha testers. :]

Adapada

08-16-2009, 21:11

haha, don't worry anyone who has applied until now has an alpha membership.
There's only a few more spots now, I will be closing it as soon as the last few are filled and then the alpha game will be sent out to those alpha testers. :]
Can I try it???[thumbsup]
nvm didn't read and sent it by email..

santoki

08-19-2009, 15:01

If you had applied for an alpha tester, you should have the game now.

Adapada

08-19-2009, 15:10

mybulleturface

08-19-2009, 15:13

jeez, i cant get more than 500 points. I gotta figure out how to work properly
So far, no bugs, just a little difficult to begin. ;)
Thank you for this game santoki, its very addictive, especially when you lose.
start with one tower and then upgrade it :D

No return button or restart after you lose? would be really nice.
No bugs and no lag even with 7-8 objects on the screen,
now if I could listen to music and play at the same time, that would be so awesome.

santoki

08-19-2009, 15:27

start with one tower and then upgrade it :D

No return button or restart after you lose? would be really nice.
No bugs and no lag even with 7-8 objects on the screen,
now if I could listen to music and play at the same time, that would be so awesome.

Great to hear!
I must've goofed with the restart. I will definitely add it for the beta version.
I've worked pretty hard on optimizing the lag issue. This was the biggest problem / concern for most tower defense games. I spent hours on trying to get the best performance, and I think I've come very close to it.

Music at the same time is an issue cowon should look into. I know my previous iriver clix was able to handle it through firmware, even the hunter game, so it is possible imo.

santoki

08-19-2009, 16:07

Oh I should have mentioned, the latest is meant to be difficult... since I had originally played as default "hard" setting.

hence the H in the tower defense :]

Adapada

08-19-2009, 16:09

Great to hear!
I must've goofed with the restart. I will definitely add it for the beta version.
I've worked pretty hard on optimizing the lag issue. This was the biggest problem / concern for most tower defense games. I spent hours on trying to get the best performance, and I think I've come very close to it.

Music at the same time is an issue cowon should look into. I know my previous iriver clix was able to handle it through firmware, even the hunter game, so it is possible imo.
all i do when i lose is just press the play/pause button and start again. no biggie since its alpha anyways

islington

08-19-2009, 17:29

Would'nt it be possible to hear music and control playback if the game is launched from the utility menu (and thus need to add an icon with claw UI)?

zisworg

08-20-2009, 06:12

I tried your Flight game v1.1 3 days ago and it crashed my S9 the second party I've launched x_x : reset button needed.. :-(

X5LOwner

08-20-2009, 11:42

start with one tower and then upgrade it :D

Upgrading sometimes just doesn't work! I press the upgrade button, have enough money but nothing happens! Sometimes it works for one tower but not for the next.

Edit: I am always able to upgrade the first tower but not the second.

jmoz

08-20-2009, 14:25

mybulleturface

08-20-2009, 14:48

Upgrading sometimes just doesn't work! I press the upgrade button, have enough money but nothing happens! Sometimes it works for one tower but not for the next.

Edit: I am always able to upgrade the first tower but not the second.
Thats weird it doesnt do that to me I have upgraded 3 or 4 towers and it showed them upgraded. I like the idea of a break between each level as jmoz said.
Has anyone got past level 5?

Jaded128

08-20-2009, 15:12

Really like the game so far.
Has anyone got past level 5?
Nope, that's where it seems to become impossible for me to keep up at all. Upgrading works fine for me too.

And I too like the idea of a (subtle) break between levels. And a restart/retry button, of course. Also, I don't know if it would be possible, but a highscore-thingy would be nice...

santoki

08-20-2009, 16:56

The game is fun, but the values seem off. First, upgrading is too expensive and does too much; smaller upgrades would be better. I'd say money accumulates too slowly at levels > 4 or 5, and the enemies become far too tough to kill around then.

In a few tower defense games I've played, there's a break between levels. I think that might be a nice improvement.

Yes, one of the hardest thing for me to do was setting the values, rate of fire, range and cost. However, the fact that you've pin pointed the crucial eg: smaller upgrades, money slow on 4 & 5, tough enemies will help me greatly in refining these balancing issues.

Breaks in between levels seems like a good idea. I'll try implementing one.

Thats weird it doesnt do that to me I have upgraded 3 or 4 towers and it showed them upgraded. I like the idea of a break between each level as jmoz said.
Has anyone got past level 5?

The upgrades seem to be fine. I'll try implementing the breaks.

Really like the game so far.

Nope, that's where it seems to become impossible for me to keep up at all. Upgrading works fine for me too.

And I too like the idea of a (subtle) break between levels. And a restart/retry button, of course. Also, I don't know if it would be possible, but a highscore-thingy would be nice...

Will add those things. Thanks for the suggestions thus far. :]

Tizmin556

08-21-2009, 03:20

I got to level 6 - 4823 points!

gorgi

08-21-2009, 06:07

Jaded128

08-21-2009, 06:58

I got to level 6 - 4823 points!
Yeah, I got to 5037 last night, through sellings some upgraded towers and using the money to upgrade another one even more (and I remember getting to something like 5300 but that would be on the first night, and rather late -yawn-, so maybe I'm wrong). But level 6-7 seems to be the absolute limit for me.

Another suggestion would be something to indicate (like a cursor) what tower is currently selected. I sometimes wasn't sure if I pressed a certain tower correctly or not and ended up pressing again - not a very large issue but that usually happens when I'm in a big hurry to sell something and upgrade something else.

I already e-mailed you some balancing issues but I think I found one concerning the Damage Tower. First of all, by the time you're able to buy a Damage Tower, you might as well upgrade your Shot Towers, as upgrading to a lvl 3 Shot Tower costs you 75 and gives you equal power and more speed/range than the lvl 1 Damage Tower, which costs 100. Also, by the time you'll have that kind of money, the lvl 2 Shot Tower seems pretty useless vs. the enemies too (even the lvl 3 one, actually). So the fact that a lvl 3 Shot Tower will also cost you 45 for buying it and the first upgrade isn't very significant. I'm not too sure about all this, I haven't tried placing one of those Damage Towers yet (for those reasons).. But it seems to make sense. Maybe powered down enemies (which should happen if you ask me) will change things though.

X5LOwner

08-21-2009, 08:16

I figured out that I am able to upgrade every tower as well. Sometimes it works with one touch and some towers need 5-10 [surrend]

Great game so far.

Edit: 5-10 ist wrong. 35 or more in most of the cases. Sometimes there is no chance at all no matter what I do. Maybe I didn't geht the rules. Do I need anything else than money to upgrade??? The start screen says v0.08alpha but in the game I see v0.5. Is this correct?

santoki

08-21-2009, 12:22

I just wanted to sign up to be an alpha tester but there is no place left..
I think I took myself too much time, should've signed right away.

When will we get the first beta release? I want it[thumbsup]

I usually release a beta when it hits v1, but I'll be totally honest with you in that this balancing issue make prolong the beta. :[

Yeah, I got to 5037 last night, through sellings some upgraded towers and using the money to upgrade another one even more (and I remember getting to something like 5300 but that would be on the first night, and rather late -yawn-, so maybe I'm wrong). But level 6-7 seems to be the absolute limit for me.

Another suggestion would be something to indicate (like a cursor) what tower is currently selected. I sometimes wasn't sure if I pressed a certain tower correctly or not and ended up pressing again - not a very large issue but that usually happens when I'm in a big hurry to sell something and upgrade something else.

I already e-mailed you some balancing issues but I think I found one concerning the Damage Tower. First of all, by the time you're able to buy a Damage Tower, you might as well upgrade your Shot Towers, as upgrading to a lvl 3 Shot Tower costs you 75 and gives you equal power and more speed/range than the lvl 1 Damage Tower, which costs 100. Also, by the time you'll have that kind of money, the lvl 2 Shot Tower seems pretty useless vs. the enemies too (even the lvl 3 one, actually). So the fact that a lvl 3 Shot Tower will also cost you 45 for buying it and the first upgrade isn't very significant. I'm not too sure about all this, I haven't tried placing one of those Damage Towers yet (for those reasons).. But it seems to make sense. Maybe powered down enemies (which should happen if you ask me) will change things though.

Great feedback and suggestions!
I'm really trying to sort out a way to balance the game, and everything you mentioned makes a lot of sense. It's a difficult concept for me, but I'm trying my best to do it. The cursor idea sounds good :]

I figured out that I am able to upgrade every tower as well. Sometimes it works with one touch and some towers need 5-10 [surrend]

Great game so far.

Edit: 5-10 ist wrong. 35 or more in most of the cases. Sometimes there is no chance at all no matter what I do. Maybe I didn't geht the rules. Do I need anything else than money to upgrade??? The start screen says v0.08alpha but in the game I see v0.5. Is this correct?
Hmm. That's really odd, I seem to be able to upgrade perfectly fine. Could it be that you have hold on?

Jaded128

08-21-2009, 13:03

I figured out that I am able to upgrade every tower as well. Sometimes it works with one touch and some towers need 5-10 [surrend]
Maybe you don't have enough money when you're trying to upgrade? By the time you've tapped 35 times you usually do, so that would explain everything.. Are you sure you're looking at the right number for the price? If I remember correctly, when tapping the tower, it displays "Price: <number> +<number>". The price for the upgrade would be the number after the +.

jmoz

08-22-2009, 10:56

I'm very impressed with santoki's responsiveness to suggestions. I've suggested inexpensive dummy towers so one can create mazes, and he said he'll try and implement it. Other alpha-testers- make suggestions; I think this will end up the best game on the S9 by far!

Tizmin556

08-22-2009, 13:28

^ I think it already is!

jmoz

08-22-2009, 22:33

Tizmin556: OK, true enough, but I think it will be even better than it already is.

X5LOwner

08-23-2009, 09:39

Maybe you don't have enough money when you're trying to upgrade? By the time you've tapped 35 times you usually do, so that would explain everything.. Are you sure you're looking at the right number for the price? If I remember correctly, when tapping the tower, it displays "Price: <number> +<number>". The price for the upgrade would be the number after the +.

[blush][blush][blush] I am so stupid. Thanks for the help. Just didn't read the right price. Upgrading works fine.

santoki

09-09-2009, 23:53

For those who have been alpha testing v8, I'll be releasing v9 shortly. Check the e-mail in a few hours. :)

mybulleturface

09-10-2009, 00:58

Nice to see that your are back, it has been a long time. Finally I will have something to do during class. :D

santoki

09-10-2009, 02:50

ok check the e-mails now :)
p.s. if you are one of my alpha testers and have not received it, please notify me.

thanks

Uphaillife

09-10-2009, 03:14

LOL @ tower editor. HAHA funniest thing ever. :)

the red swift ones are a bit too hard for a start. but it could be just because i suck.

jmoz

09-10-2009, 10:49

The new version is really great. I think I'll play with the editor a bit when I get a chance.

Perhaps v2.0 will be 2 dimensional rather than 1 dimensional? Still, certainly no complaints!

Adapada

09-10-2009, 19:51

okay... first bug, more than 4 of the same tower, new towers begin showing up as undefined, and you have to sell the tower, then start again

2nd bug, the money goes to NaN after a while, and I can upgrade anything for no cost

jmoz

09-11-2009, 07:58

Another slight bug- when you upgrade towers, the display looks like you're ADDING performance. (e.g. the normal tower is 2 damage, and when you upgrade, it says +5 on damage). In my mind, that means damage should become 7, but it actually becomes 5. I'd either eliminate the "+" in the display, or I would fix this. (I think fixing it would be fair, since the price actually is +XX.) In the defaults, the speed tower actually loses performance with one of the upgrades (Level 4?).

Tizmin556

09-11-2009, 13:29

The only bug i've manage to find is:
After restarting, after getting over level three, the previous enemies keep coming in addition to the knew ones. The enemies from the past level stop after about ten seconds.

lane32x

09-16-2009, 01:59

Level 5 gets ridiculously hard. I was say either reduce the amount of enemies or make them take a bit less hits. I've tried loading up on damage towers, (upgraded) speed towers, slow towers in combination with those...bah! so difficult. lol.
top score: 5900 so far.

I sent you an email about what Tizmin556 said as well.
suggestion: maybe make upgrading a bit less expensive, or make it more worth while.
I wish that upgrading the Shot or Damage Towers would make them shoot a little faster (or maybe get the ability to shoot 2 objects at once?).
Upgrading the Speed tower could add more damage quicker. or maybe upgrading in later levels gives you more attack? I really don't know. I want some way to make it a bit more fair, but still have a lot of strategy to it.
and I wish that upgrading the

Adapada

09-16-2009, 14:09

oh, and i guess the enemies only go to level 15?

santoki

09-16-2009, 16:43

LOL @ tower editor. HAHA funniest thing ever. :)

the red swift ones are a bit too hard for a start. but it could be just because i suck.

Not you. haha, I left in one of my "evil" functions that allowed any set of level to bolster a sudden spike of defense. In this case, I left it there with the red...

The new version is really great. I think I'll play with the editor a bit when I get a chance.

Perhaps v2.0 will be 2 dimensional rather than 1 dimensional? Still, certainly no complaints!

Thanks! It's nice to hear compliments near the beta release. Are you talking about 2D as in Isometric?

okay... first bug, more than 4 of the same tower, new towers begin showing up as undefined, and you have to sell the tower, then start again

2nd bug, the money goes to NaN after a while, and I can upgrade anything for no cost

This is due to my poor programming scheme. As of now I have a huge grudge of going back to change that one big problem, but I'll see what I can do about that. [surrend]

Another slight bug- when you upgrade towers, the display looks like you're ADDING performance. (e.g. the normal tower is 2 damage, and when you upgrade, it says +5 on damage). In my mind, that means damage should become 7, but it actually becomes 5. I'd either eliminate the "+" in the display, or I would fix this. (I think fixing it would be fair, since the price actually is +XX.) In the defaults, the speed tower actually loses performance with one of the upgrades (Level 4?).

Fixed. Fixed. In fact, all towers received a major stat change. Makes it difficult to win game without other towers. [thumbsup]

The only bug i've manage to find is:
After restarting, after getting over level three, the previous enemies keep coming in addition to the knew ones. The enemies from the past level stop after about ten seconds.

Fixed. I forgot to remove the enemies script once the game was over.

Level 5 gets ridiculously hard. I was say either reduce the amount of enemies or make them take a bit less hits. I've tried loading up on damage towers, (upgraded) speed towers, slow towers in combination with those...bah! so difficult. lol.
top score: 5900 so far.

I sent you an email about what Tizmin556 said as well.
suggestion: maybe make upgrading a bit less expensive, or make it more worth while.
I wish that upgrading the Shot or Damage Towers would make them shoot a little faster (or maybe get the ability to shoot 2 objects at once?).
Upgrading the Speed tower could add more damage quicker. or maybe upgrading in later levels gives you more attack? I really don't know. I want some way to make it a bit more fair, but still have a lot of strategy to it.
and I wish that upgrading the

Enemy / Tower ratio has been improved. Upgrading helps!!
Shooting two object at once is cpu intensive. In fact, the slow tower would be much more viable in consideration, as I would love for it to shoot a slow speed wad and anything crossing it would be slowed, but this is too cpu intensive unfortunately. [cry]

You missed a sentence... "You wished that upgrading the...?"

oh, and i guess the enemies only go to level 15?

I've added 5 more levels to make it 20 in total. [thumbsup]

Thanks for the comments/suggestions.
Can anyone help me think of a unique name for this game? I'm trying to find one that is catchy yet not cliche. I know it's currently tower defense, but that's quite ubiquitous. [help]I'm currently settling on "mini-tower defense." [confused]

jmoz

09-16-2009, 17:11

...Are you talking about 2D as in Isometric?

What I meant is a 2D grid on which enemies move. Currently, enemy motion is 1-dimensional (from the start the the end) and you can't modify their path at all. If enemies were not constrained so you could put towers anywhere (that doesn't block all paths, of course), that would be great. This is, of course, a much harder game to program, and the limited resources of the S9 might make it impossible. If it IS possible, though, it adds a lot of strategy and interest.

Ilmadic

09-16-2009, 17:17

hi santoki. what about flight? i loved this game and i really want to see a next level. is there any hope?

do you go back to flight after the development of tower defense?

santoki

09-16-2009, 17:28

What I meant is a 2D grid on which enemies move. Currently, enemy motion is 1-dimensional (from the start the the end) and you can't modify their path at all. If enemies were not constrained so you could put towers anywhere (that doesn't block all paths, of course), that would be great. This is, of course, a much harder game to program, and the limited resources of the S9 might make it impossible. If it IS possible, though, it adds a lot of strategy and interest.

Ah I see. I actually began with the idea that the towers placement will determine the enemies route, but as you mentioned, this taxed on the s9's cpu heavily - making the game too laggy.

There had to be many compromises and optimizations to make it what it is right now. However I agree that strategy may seem lacking if the opponent simply goes one way. I'll see what I can do in future development.

hi santoki. what about flight? i loved this game and i really want to see a next level. is there any hope?

do you go back to flight after the development of tower defense?

Flight had a lot of bugs :[ which made me actually sad and not very excited about going back to debug. I'll see what I can do.

I was actually thinking about going back to shadow Kai... haha.

Santoki

Ilmadic

09-16-2009, 17:32

What a pity! but thanks for your work. i'm very excited about tower defense.

sigi1991

09-28-2009, 14:43

how long does it take until the publication date of tower defense?

bashibash

09-28-2009, 14:44

check his blog:
www.2souldesign.net

santoki

10-03-2009, 02:20

Tower Defense v1.0 is now available to everyone.
Check it out now!
[thumbsup]
check his blog:
www.2souldesign.net (http://www.2souldesign.net)

Tizmin556

10-03-2009, 03:45

INCREDIBLE! Great work! What's next though the next version, shadow Kai?

ftaka

10-03-2009, 04:46

awesome work santoki

bashibash

10-03-2009, 05:14

Many many thanks!
This is awesome!

XXL-Music

10-03-2009, 05:58

Awesome.

Don't Panic

10-03-2009, 07:08

NICE!(don't mean the city)

ilikes9

10-03-2009, 10:49

Thx a lot, nice to play!

gorgi

10-03-2009, 14:29

This game is sooooo good! Thank you santoki.
btw: hi-score: 64877 :D

Scrapz

10-03-2009, 14:30

Yeah, thanks alot Santoki, this game is really good and works great.

Uphaillife

10-03-2009, 14:42

Yes! :d 97301!! :D

Kizune

10-03-2009, 16:12

Uphaillife:

"Yes! :d 97301!! :D"

Heh, 99666! :D

Awesome game, great job. :)

edit:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4714/unbenannt1bd.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6959/unbenannt2sl.jpg

:D

Uphaillife

10-03-2009, 16:34

Uphaillife:

"Yes! :d 97301!! :D"

Heh, 99666! :D

Awesome game, great job. :)

over 100000 now :D

+ got all achievements besides play 10 times, beat shield boss, and editor. >:O

i can never get the shield boss..

Kizune

10-03-2009, 16:39

phail: Look at my edit... muhaha

I added 5 speed towers and 1 slow tower in block a, nothing in block b, and I got this score... [laugh]
AND I killed the shield boss with this strategy :O

Uphaillife

10-03-2009, 16:43

phail: Look at my edit... muhaha

I added 5 speed towers and 1 slow tower in block a, nothing in block b, and I got this score... [laugh]
AND I killed the shield boss with this strategy :O

nice! :D

but im not lucky enough to get to shield boss

EDIT: 111763! :D and i finished the game. LOL

Tizmin556

10-04-2009, 03:25

I got all but two achievements then acerdentally hit "reset". :o(
I think the first screen should be a load screen with so many save slots and then to reset the achievements and highscore you simply delete the save.

XXL-Music

10-04-2009, 09:02

OMG I suck at this game. It's so damn hard.

Scrapz

10-04-2009, 09:06

Hey, do you think you can add an exit button on the next version. I would love to run this as launcher (with Claw's UI) so I can play my music while playing the game.

Duff Man

10-04-2009, 10:18

wtf?! i had all the archievments besides the unbreakable relic (this one never appeared) and a highscore around 113100 but when i got this highscore and wanted to confirm it froze and i needed to quit the game. now everything is deleted and i can start from 0 [cry]

santoki

10-04-2009, 18:47

Hey, do you think you can add an exit button on the next version. I would love to run this as launcher (with Claw's UI) so I can play my music while playing the game.

Sure. Do you have the exit code?

wtf?! i had all the archievments besides the unbreakable relic (this one never appeared) and a highscore around 113100 but when i got this highscore and wanted to confirm it froze and i needed to quit the game. now everything is deleted and i can start from 0 [cry]

That's odd... If you've made it to the point where you press the "confirm" button it should have already saved your highscore. I'm sorry for that inconvenient glitch.

Duff Man

10-05-2009, 12:50

hmm i think i foud a bug - not shure wether ist in the game or in claws uci:
i created a icon for the game in claws uci and everytime i exit the game and shutoff my s9 all archievments and the highscore are deleted.

EDIT: everytime i exit the game my saves are deleted.

EDIT 2: i run the game in any other uci and all my archievments never got saved after i exit the game.

ilikes9

10-05-2009, 13:11

I use Claw's as well (with icon) and my stats are saved. Do you use run mode flash browser?

PS: I don't want to brag with my highscore, but I do nevertheless ;): 115082

I saw that golden boss once but failed to destroy him and I don't think I ever saw the shield boss.

Duff Man

10-05-2009, 13:14

yes i do and even if i run it directly through the flash browser my stats wont be saved.

ilikes9

10-05-2009, 13:18

Do you exit the game with play/pause hard button?

Duff Man

10-05-2009, 13:20

yes i do. is there any other way?

ilikes9

10-05-2009, 13:23

Shut off the S9 directly (I use the play/pause button). Well, sorry but I have no clue what the problem might be.

Duff Man

10-05-2009, 13:30

well, i found a solution for my problem. i deleted the sol folder _tdv1.0 (or sth like that) and now everything works fine. maybe my skills were too good for the game so it tried to beat me like that [devil]

gorgi

10-05-2009, 14:03

This game is sooo addictive. You should really think about "Santoki Tower Defense II" [thumbsup]
I LOVE IT!

bernado

10-05-2009, 16:44

I feel a bit old and square having to ask this but are there any instructions how to play this somewhere? I can't work it out for the life of me[blush]

lane32x

10-05-2009, 17:40

beat the game! high score over 100,000.
BTW, love that you added achievements. such a cool idea!

lane32x

10-05-2009, 17:48

Sorry for the double post, wanted bernardo to see that I was answering his question:

Instructions for you:

Instructions on how to play. Start the game.
Ttap the various Towers on the right side of the screen to see their stats (speed of fire, damage per shot, price to buy a tower...etc. the little icons tell you what the stats are)
After you look at the various towers, tap the tower that you wish to use, then tap a place on the grid where you want to put the tower.
tap GO when you are ready. Enemies will start streaming in from the left-hand side of the screen and your tower(s) will start shooting at them.
Aafter you get enough $$, you can add more towers, or upgrade existing ones. (to upgrade a tower on the board, simply tap on the one you want to upgrade, see if there is enough money to upgrade it, then click upgrade at the bottom right).

have fun