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I want to hash this, with as much respect as possible.
STOP COMPLAINING!
This player is advertised as a PVP, a Portable Video Player...so.
Pros- Video battery life, color quality, brightness levels, subtitle support, codec support (while not all of them work, its better than any other player), resolution support, pixel-type support (no crashing due to a single faulty or unsupported frame), video-out, loud. beautiful picture quality in high resolution files. not to mention sound quality...and this list is JUST for video...
i would say low resolution is a con, but it keeps my battery nice and full without sacrificing much video quality. (HD looks stunning). i even love the UI. it starts out with a nice pretty presentation, and then leads you into an easy to use, practical, pc-style navigation system. simple. sd integration? perfect. you can choose to access it or not. if it were more integrated, i may get confused about what is on my SD card or on my internal software, which would make for some annoyance when i switch out my SD cards.
the player is 250 bucks for the midsized one. to get everything out of an archos 5, you have to spend 510...and its still limited and has crappy battery life. youd be better off buying a laptop. also...it is NOT the successor to the D2, the S9 is far more similar, post there. if you have purchased the O2 and placed massive mp3 libraries on it, return it and buy a proper MP3 player. this is a VIDEO PLAYER.
it seems like people in this forum and other o2 forums get mad that there arent people to make programs, or there isnt more support for this. these people are driving off potential buyers with their lists of things they hate about it. i wouldnt have purchased this player if i had read the forums first, and i wouldve missed out on an excellent player.
i think the problem is that this player caters to people with specific interests rather than the general public, such as the ipod touch, samsung p2, cowon s9...etc...as a previous archos 605, and archos av500 owner, this perfectly caters to my requirements for a media player and better than either of those two ever did.
i know the player is not perfect, far from it. but no other player is perfect either...so if you dont like it, go sell it and stop whining, please? and keep up the good work cowon.
Bdroc, here is the thing. I love my o2. I think it is a potentially great player. It does a lot of things very well. I do not think anyone should be scared off at all for buying it. If you are looking for great audio, nice video, good battery life, and a nice looking clean device, this is it. I do not think there is another player in this category that can even really compete with the o2. There is nothing else out there with the screen size, screen quality, video playback, sound quality out there, and that is with out mentioning the nice price tag.
That being said. There are a couple of things people would like to see fixed, or made better with the o2. I have no doubts that Cowon will continue to make improvements on it(even though people are saying they want to bury, burn, or get rid of). You are right as in this is a video player, so no sq enhancements for videos does matter. People have mentioned a lot of small things with the player. But some things do need to be improved. Cowon has a history of releasing players without their full capabilities. The o2 is not different, neither is the s9. I like the ui, dont see a big deal with that. I understand they could have fit more on the screen, but most of the time you are navigating through the main icons(audio, video, pics). I love my o2. Other people will too. But criticisms are part of forums.
I would've gotten the S9 over the O2 in a heartbeat except for one thing... NO SD SLOT ON THE S9!
All my complaints are software-based, and think with some minor things fixed, I will be pretty happy. File browsing on this player NEEDS to be fixed and sped up though. That is my #1 complaint, and if they fixed nothing else (although a 12h clock would be nice!) I would be happy.
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to make anyone really upset over my posting about the O2 dying out, but I just really panicked when I went on eBay last night and saw leather and silicone cases for the S9, as well as screen protectors... and barely anything for the O2. Then I went to Jetmall, and there's nothing new for the O2, but the S9 is getting a load of accessories... then I hit this forum, and there's maybe 2 or 3 people in the O2 forum, and over 25 in the S9.
Also there's a ton of user-created interfaces already coming out for the S9. It feels like the O2 is taking the backseat, and I have seen the T2 die, along with the F1. Both were condemned by everyone when Cowon released them, and now their sections are demoted to the 'Old and unpopular models' on this forum.
I don't want the O2 to disappear, but it's just a feeling...
Again, my apologies if I was the one to stir things up here. Maybe I need some sleep ;)
Cheers!
Affainyi
01-12-2009, 12:45
don't feel bad keal...at least you give it a chance.[thumbsup]
Which is much more than I can say for many other users in this forum....I don't want to mention names but some are old while others are green:P
This thread is very solid and true and probably directed at those people.....I assume you are neither old or green so you are fine[rofl]
I would like to throw my support behind bdroc's little rant....everyone here knows my viewpoint on the O2 (http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24439)......
From my standpoint, there's nothing wrong with the O2 that firmware can't fix, and much of that might not be such a big deal to someone who buys one and doesn't visit this forum.
Though this has already been said a million times, I have to reiterate:
If you're not buying an O2 to replace something you currently own that does the same kinds of things, it wouldn't seem like such a trainwreck.
I've never owned a PVP before, and I love the O2.
i agree, the o2 needs some fixing up, but if there were no updates from here out, i would still be very satisfied with this product. it is nice to know however that with the right updates, this player can truly achieve greatness in the historical archive of notable pvps
keal, i also do not want o2 to sit on the backburner, but from its conception, it was destined to be that way. like i said in my first post, the o2 caters to a specific audience, while the s9 is a catch-all device which appeals to the general public. its the nature of any PVP. how many people are going to remember the vision w in 2 years? unfortunately, not too many.
i also would have purchased the s9 if there was an sd slot (and video support for higher resolutions). but i would miss the screen size also...its never a win-win situation...ive never purchased a player and been like..."THIS IS THE ONE! i would not want any feature from any other player...this one is PERFECT"...lets just say the next generation of mp3 players is most likely going to be something to marvel
BruceBanner
01-12-2009, 20:50
I want to hash this, with as much respect as possible.
STOP COMPLAINING!
This player is advertised as a PVP, a Portable Video Player
That's not true. They call it a PMP under the firmware upgrades and other advertising material. And it fails as a PVP for which they intended to do i.e. no need to convert files any longer, i'm with keal, i still need to convert a heap of standard avi files as well as the usual mkv h.264.
So currently it falls short of it's advertising claims and as a PMP isn't too hot either. All fixable should the required effort be placed.
avi is just a container...divx, xvid, mpeg2, h.263 and even h.264 are codecs that can be placed into an avi container. i agree though that high definition h.264 should have more compatibility. its just me probably, but i like re-encoding mkv because with multiple audio tracks and subtitles, you are wasting space. when i watch something ill either watch it in english or with subtitles...and there are encoders that embed mkv subtitles into an avi container with the proper audio track and you generally save about 1/4 of the file size without the hassle in the long run. especially with stuff you are going to rewatch over and over. just set up the encoding over night and you're golden.
it does fall short of advertising and can be fixed, but all things considered, it is pretty damn good, and better than anything else out there. so i cant complain...it would just be unfair to cowon. again especially at the price
first of all, HD h.264/x.264 will never be supported, the TI chip inside the A3/O2 is incapable of processing it. and as far as mkv's go, what other player is there that supports it? certainly not the Archos 5 (last time i checked), and even then h.264 is limited to 720p only. Even intel's Atom processor can only do 720p h.264 (renders only 1-5 fps at 1080p), and they are laptop chips. You must remember what is actually possible in a portable device, and marketing is nothing but lies, their job is to lie to you, because if you believe even a word of what the marketing people tell you, you will be dissapointed. But that goes for everything, really, do you think an iphone can load a webpage in under 2 seconds like the commercials show?
older releases of anime in an mkv container with only 1 audio track and however many subtitle tracks encoded in anything but h.264 and 480p at the highest work great. anything higher than that require more processing power than is capable in a portable device that expects more than 1 hour of battery life, and doesn't burn your hand from the processor overheating due to not enough heatsink/fan.
any new releases that are in hd h.264 or mkv's that are high def will not work, so don't even bother trying, no portable device short of a laptop with a processor faster than an atom will be able to render what people expect a pmp to do. also, the cost of the device is less than the processor/chipset required to playback the files people expect them to, not accounting for everything else required, like a screen, battery, dac, amp, etc.
if you are unsatisfied with your purchase, sell it on ebay. if you still won't shut up about it, get an engineering degree and make your own damn device, show those engineers in korea how to make the impossible possible.
Affainyi
01-14-2009, 00:22
a very solid and coherent argument....and impossible to argue wit.....well done crazzy.....very well done......
BruceBanner
01-14-2009, 01:14
Yeh that's all fine and dandy but alot of us arn't complete computer nerds. I know sum stuff but not to the same degree as you do crazzy. And i actually do believe (in my 30yrs on this planet) that not all marketing is lies, very few products have i bought that haven't lived up to the advertising material and to be frank i think the o2 is possibly the worst offender I have come across to date. Thats why i was initially mad. Now look what you've done, i've gotten angry, you wouldn't like me when i'm angry!
Mr. Black
01-14-2009, 04:49
Thanks for the comment crazzy, however all of that is quite moot when cowon had advertised the O2 (and the A3 before that) as being capable of playing h.264 in hi-definition. All in all it does not matter that it is impossible for it to do so as Cowon have mislead their customers, the ones who bought the O2 thinking they could play h.264 in hd, and I am not one to argee with any apologist who would rather see people lie down and accept this companies lies.
If you are unsatisfied with your purchase, because you were mislead, don't just go and sell it on ebay because the ones who didn't need h.264 on their O2 just want to ignore your plight, complain to Cowon. Fight for you money back and accept no loss.
Be vocal, complain, stop others thinking of buying the O2 for it's h.264 abilities from buying it - that's why we're here, for both the good and the bad. Remember, Cowon already con'd a lot of people with the A3, and then they did it again! with the O2.
I agree with Dominic. The o2 is a fantastic player. But if you bought it looking for the hd video, or the things it advertises but cannot do, def call Cowon and complain. Ask for your money back. Thats like buying a HD tv and saying it wont work for a couple of years.
:DI do not need it to play HD, so i love it!!
first of all, HD h.264/x.264 will never be supported, the TI chip inside the A3/O2 is incapable of processing it. ...
Absolutely wrong!!!
Formats aren't "totally" processor dependants... surely the problem for Cowon is related with rights over the format.
TI DaVinci is capable of process any format and that's why Cowon announce its capability... are just some legal issues that don't allow Cowon implement it.
umm call me crazy...but if the cowon can decode a 2.5gb, 1 hour show with xvid, then its theoretical that itll do the same with h.264.
processing is not particular about file types, but rather kbits/sec. how much physical space it can read decode and playback in a given amount of time. this concept if perfectly understandable when you realize that action scenes dont run any slower than dramatic scenes. its all the same amount of information through the same interval of time (depending on the bitrate...).
the true deciding factor for this issue is the decoder, which is software...which can be improved with firmware.
and by the way, my planet earths and firefly episodes play perfectly, xvid, high definition...this is all not to mention that h.264 is a very efficient codec and should run even better than xvid (given they have similar bitrates). ever wonder why MOST hd rips you see in this world are transcoded in advanced x.264? because its the best. ive had to play a high resolution (not HD) quicktime 4 (OLD) file on my computer recently and it is slow and painful to use.
im not computer nerd, but im pretty sure this stuff makes sense...if it doesnt then correct me
nivlacbot
01-14-2009, 09:20
TI DaVinci is capable of process any format and that's why Cowon announce its capability... are just some legal issues that don't allow Cowon implement it.
Any supporting evidence for that stmt?
I'd be happy if the Cowon PMPs were able to play h264 as advertised. But an earlier discussion in the A3 subforum (http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20542) on the TI chip seems to indicate otherwise
BruceBanner
01-14-2009, 14:22
See this is what i'm talking about, even the ones with the know-how argue on this forum in regards to what it can and cannot do, how are people like I (with less know-how) supposed to make an informed choice :S.
I'm still holding onto my player as alot of things like tv series i have etc are still just regular xvid avi files and play fine, it's only my 100+ films that are mkv h.264 files that struggle. Can anyone give me a straight answer as to whether or not they think cowon will ever be able to release firmware capable of playing these laggy files.
Absolutely wrong!!!
Formats aren't "totally" processor dependants... surely the problem for Cowon is related with rights over the format.
TI DaVinci is capable of process any format and that's why Cowon announce its capability... are just some legal issues that don't allow Cowon implement it.
h.264/x.264 is very processor dependent though, it is in fact THE most processor dependent codec to date! The TI daVinci chip used in the a3/o2 IS actually incapable of rendering h.264 in anything except base profile (most commonly used in sd), and does not support b-frames, nor b-pyramid, nor the high profile that nearly all hd content is encoded into due to a more effecient space usage, the trade off being the massive prossesing power required to decode the format (many computers still cannot play back this format smoothly).
There is a higher end DaVinci chip cowon could have used in the a3/o2 that would have been able to support h.264 up to 720p with all of the different variations of the codec, the issue preventing them from going with that chip is most likely battery life and heat. it would have probably cut battery life in half, and kicked out atleast twice as much heat, requiring a fan most likely to dissapate enough to prevent overheating. suddenly it makes more sense to buy a laptop instead of a pmp that is atleast twice as thick as the o2 due to a battery atleast twice as large, and a fan to dissapate heat. and the price would have also most likely jumped to $450 or so for the 32gb model. and with only the lower res screen, no one would pay that price, and once you add it, you are at the same price as an archos 5 if not even higher.
h.264 is the proprietary format that would have to have royalties paid to whomever they licensed it from (no one technically ownes the rights to h.264, but you still have to license the codec from one of the companies that sells it), x.264 is the open source variation that requires no royalties, and can decode h.264 just fine. If it was a licensing issue, then the player could not play h.264 at all, as the codec does not care whether or not the video is hd or sd or anything in between, neither does the licencing legal paperwork.
You are right though, cowon's marketing deparment does deserve to take a long walk off a short pier, and they have blatantly misled anyone reading the specs of a good number of cowon's players. Its hurting the company long term even if it benifits them small turn. look at apple, their numbers are up short term due to an incredible marketing department (almost everything has almost complete lies) and a stylish product that never seems to live up to anything the marketing says. but eventually people will realize that they can't trust the marketing deparments of companies like that and there will be a backlash. hopefully cowon turns it around and hires a new marketing department before that happens.
I enjoy my o2, before that q5w, and d2 before that, as being the best portable flac players that money can buy. the 02 being the best sound quality (through my shure se530's) of the bunch so far, and can play an enormous amount of video for hours on end (then again i only load onto it what it can play). I personally hate id3 tagging and only ever use the file system for organization, even on my pc. I don't find a single thing wrong with the o2, but that's just me, i personally don't care at all about the user interface, and i'll deal with bugs and glitches. but most people aren't like that, but since there isn't a single best device out there, compromise on what you really want, the simpler it is, the less bugs it will have.
and give cowon america a break, they are just a sales and repair center, they have no clue at all when it comes to the engineering of the device or what shortcomings they have internally. and actually don't have the ability to do anything with regards to firmware updates, or even what future players come out. just keep that in mind and try not to ruin who answers the phone's day, they are probably just as taken in by the marketing as we are.
LOL @ thread. I never heard as much BS as from the OP...
Any supporting evidence for that stmt?
I'd be happy if the Cowon PMPs were able to play h264 as advertised. But an earlier discussion in the A3 subforum (http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20542) on the TI chip seems to indicate otherwise
The only evidence needed is what the maker said of its product...
Here is a brochure of Texas Instruments of the DaVinci processor of A3 (similar to O2) where is stated what encoders can be added as software to implement different formats.
Brochure of A3 processor (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm6441.html)
Possible software that can be added to this chip (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm6441.html#toolssoftware)
H.264 for DaVinci processors (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdh264d.html)
If nobody believe in what TI say hardly will believe in what Cowon say.
EDIT... it's clear that H.264 decoder is a software not a wired circuit.
Affainyi
01-14-2009, 21:06
Does this mean that if the O2 source is obtained somehow, especially since it is based on linux, improvements can be made to it that will enable it to work proper ly with h264 etc etc....not to mention allow a revamp of the UI so many people complain about?!
If so then I suggest some actions are taken in that direction.....
EDIT {I didn't want to post again but I totally agree with the post below....I find myself laughing whenever I read about people's problems with the O2. I marvel afresh at it each day and I think some people have just been spoiled by owning too many players and comparing them with an emphasis on music....come on, the O2 is head-and shoulders above all of it's direct competitors and I shudder to think some people bought it cos 'it looks like the D2' somehow assuming you can read a book by it's cover}
LOL @ thread. I never heard as much BS as from the OP...
Kinda like all the whining I heard when I read this thread (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37194)
Kinda like all the whining I heard when I read this thread (http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37194)
You can also read my review on the front page: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2009/01/cowon-o2-review.php
I'm certainly not whining, just telling it like it is, compared to the delusional apologetic statements I read around some forums...
nivlacbot
01-15-2009, 02:11
The only evidence needed is what the maker said of its product...
H.264 for DaVinci processors (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdh264d.html)
EDIT... it's clear that H.264 decoder is a software not a wired circuit.
And as the third link you posted shows, it only supports
H264 BP
H264 MP with some constraints
Both of the above work currently with the A3 (and the O2?) , I believe.
The entire h264 uproar is about not being able to play H264 HP (High Profile), which is what (was advertised by Cowon) and some users want to play without running through a converter... being used (increasingly?) to package anime, movies etc.
For everyone, the issues going on with the o2 are there. DFKT named them in both of his reviews. There was not a single thing on the review that was false. The whole idea for a review is to have readers figure out how much it will matter to them. Some people need to stop taking the flaws with the o2 personally, and some people need to let their anger with it go. That wont get us anywhere.
The o2 is a very usable and nice device. It has a lot of things going for it, but the software needs an overhaul, and quickly. DFKT, reading the end of your review, i did not feel as you were unbiased, as though you were very let down by a company you really like. Maybe im wrong, but thats what i got.
Hopefully Cowon has the brains to make this a great device.
Most of the complaining is purely based on being spoiled and not accepting anything less. By this I mean..."Wow its great that this player has a completely unique feature that no other player has"...and then going on to say "I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS PLAYER CAN'T USE THIS FEATURE PERFECTLY!!!...I hate it now!..."...
If this player never advertised the ability to play 720p, or have BBE sound enhancement, no one would complain that 720p does not work in all formats, or BBE is not implemented into video (obviously)...These are great features and very unique features, but to expect that they would be perfectly implemented and then hold it completely against the player as harshly as some people have is pointless at the dawn of some of the more advanced features.
People argue that "This player can do this and this other player is better at that." IDK about some of you guys, but I spent a modest $240 on a 16GB video player that can play HD (Xvid), has incredible sound quality, has a large enough screen to enjoy feature-length movies, an expandable SD slot to essentially make the space on this player unlimited, and dozens of other features.
Sure the Archos 5 has a sharper screen and can record TV and plays 720p in glorious (limited) splendor, but you HAVE to spend about $500 (errhem..DOUBLE of the Cowon) to get all of these feature on the ENTRY model...the Hard Drive-based ENTRY model...
Sure the iPod Touch's interface is beautiful, and easy to use, and you can play games you get bored of in 5 minutes and use the internet and watch podcasts and...and...and...but how many file types can you use...AAC, AAC Lossless, MP3...h.264 videos only?...umm...one or two more, maybe? You would have to convert......EVERYTHING! My video library of h.264 is solely in .mkv containers and are High-Definition. I have to convert them anyway to play on an iPod...so how is that better than the Cowon O2? The 16GB version is also $60 more than the comparable version of the Cowon...not to mention that it is not expandable. Finally, has anyone put two identical audio files on an iPod and a Cowon O2 and compared sound quality side-by-side? I have. Lets just say that iPod's poor sound quality is inexcusable.
I'm sure a lot of people are disappointed with the O2 because they feel USED. Cowon promised this and they didn't deliver, and given many features ARE implemented poorly. But for this price with this many features...I don't think it is fair to be upset to the extent that some people are. Cowon isn't the multi-million dollar corporation that Apple is. Not to mention this type of player is simply NOT a mainstream player, so why would they focus on this one more-so than the S9, which is more comparable to the iPod Touch. I wouldn't.
The rest of you that are disappointed because a lot of the poorly implemented features are so easily fixable. Well if this is so, then wait some time and they will most likely be fixed. From what I hear from D2 fanboys, the firmware at release, while not as bad as the O2's, was pretty miserable. It only became good after a year or more. Just wait and we'll probably see some changes.
Until this day, or until a better company releases a better COMPARABLE player, I physically cannot force myself to be disappointed. Let alone be as disappointed as I see that some people are currently.
That is all I mean with this thread, I, by no means, mean to be dramatic or emotional about something as stupid as a gadget, but my god...people need to stop, breathe and reevaluate their purchase.
Gosh, do I even have to say this?
Knock off the personal attacks/trolling/flaming/whatever you want to call it or I'll close this thread. And possibly infract people for flaming/trolling.
Show each other some respect.
You should already know that the proper response to feeling attacked is to contact the mods/admins, not to respond in-kind.
Gosh, do I even have to say this?
Knock off the personal attacks/trolling/flaming/whatever you want to call it or I'll close this thread. And possibly infract people for flaming/trolling.
Show each other some respect.
You should already know that the proper response to feeling attacked is to contact the mods/admins, not to respond in-kind.
If this is directed towards me, I feel disrespected that this is classified as a flame thread (unless you are referring to what it has become). I know people are entitled to their own opinions, but I opened this thread to put a few things in perspective so that some people can actually enjoy something that deserves to be appreciated rather than picking out every little flaw, discouraging people. I for one would like to actually come to this forum and feel good about my purchase. People wonder why there are only 4 people viewing at a time rather than the 27 for the S9.
It is directed towards whoever receives warnings/infractions/makes subsequent posts which show a disregard for my post and cause the thread to get shut down. :)
That being said, you have every right to enjoy the O2 if you wish to...and other people have the right to point out what they perceive as every little flaw, should they wish to, as long as everyone maintains an atmosphere of at least basic courtesy and respect towards each other. This is a public forum, and not everyone's going to agree with you, and "yelling at them" (which I am not suggesting is what you did) isn't likely to prove productive.
In the end, if you want to feel good about your purchase and coming to the forum isn't accomplishing that...well, I guess you see where this is going...sorry if it's not what you were hoping to hear.
Affainyi
01-15-2009, 15:47
wow...and I thought admins are supposed to be unbiased.....bdroc has said nothing specific and mentions no names.....and tells no untruths......and I cannotsee the need for caution, it isn't like anything has gotten out of hand......so why post about spamming and flaming?
I especially agree about being forced to hate the player....the way people talk it is as if buying this player is a waste of money and you are a doofus for doing so......it isn't......
It does so many things right that why on earth people have begun to call it a failure and call it useless I cannot understand. I hope people understand that what they are doing is depriving others of a chance to enjoy what is, at the moment, a very very powerful and cheap portable player able to stand shoulder to shoulder with any device in terms of features. In-fact it defeats so many and is hard to compare with most of the other players IN IT'S CATEGORY. I will repeat this, it is not a D3!!!! Sadly I am not as articulate as bdroc so for what I think about the player just refer to his above pos
^Did I say I was talking about/targeting bdroc? Because I don't recall doing so.
You can also read my review on the front page: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2009/01/cowon-o2-review.php
I'm certainly not whining, just telling it like it is, compared to the delusional apologetic statements I read around some forums...
I see.....nothing like constructive criticism I always say. But I think somebody that posts a thread titled "Things I hate about....." really shouldn't be the one that writes a review of said item.......unbiased as you think you might be.
I'm not a fanboy of Cowon but I give credit where credit is due.
I'll tell you tho, after reading your review, I was like almost feeling the hatred portrayed in that evaluation. Words like flawed (many times over), pathetic and annoyances just seemed to jump out at the reader....maybe thats what you intended, I dont know.
I guess you dont feel you have to sugarcoat it, you just tell it like it is, or moreso, how you see it. But regarding your "dissection" of the O2, you claimed a few things that I had to recheck with my player just to see if it was true or not.
"Unresponsive touch screen"......not sure where that came from but as far as I'm concerned, that observation couldnt be farther from the truth.
Regarding the audio portion, "changing tracks longer than any player I know", "album art takes long to load and looks terrible" and "huge gaps between songs" made me wonder if you were reviewing the O2 or possibly something else? Trying my player, gaps were maybe 1-2 seconds, album art loaded right away and looked great and changing tracks was effortless.
Besides the fact you ranted on for 2 paragraphs about no BBE or EQ for video, another concern of yours was the fact you "cant" easily skip to the next video.
What? [confused]
I tried it.....tapped the left arrow while the movie was playing, that brought up an overlay of the other video's I had, tapped another title and that movie started playing. I'm not sure what you expect....something with voice commands? Well, I guess that would be simpler.[cool]
All in all, it looked like a very biased view on your part.....even the good points you brought up for the player seemed to be.....lets say, lacking enthusiasm. But you have your views and we have ours.....no biggie.
A few more firmware updates and we'll all be gtg.[thumbsup]
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