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both cost the same where i live,wich one should i buy?
instigator
12-12-2007, 09:52
User reviews of the 605 Wifi point out that audio quality is lousy on these things. This should be considered as Cowon products are famous for audio quality.
The audio quality is fantastic and loud (when needed of coarse), the archos 604 which I owned previously does not compare in anyway.
A couple things to keep in mind.
The 605 may cost the same as the A3 on the FRONT END, but do you plan you record TV? Use TV out? Use A lot of different file types? All of these things will cost you more with the Archos. Over $100.00.
Having Owned a couple Archos (404 and 605), and an A2, I can tell you the screen is nothing compared to the A2/3's. Battery lief comes up short, format support is a joke in comparison, build quality of the Archos is CRAP, and the sound...well....haha...not even close, its like comparing a dodge viper and dodge neon. :-)
Get the A3.
omjeremy
12-12-2007, 10:05
The 605 has WiFi whereas the A3 has better file support
The 605 has a touch screen whereas the A3 has a crappy joystick
The 605 has up to 5.5 hours of battery for video whereas the A3 has up to 7
The 605 has up to 160GB whereas the A3 has up to 60GB
The 605 has crap for included accessories whereas the A3 has basically everything you need
The 605 has a terrible speaker whereas the A3 has two speakers that are a whole lot better
The 605 has a 4.3" screen whereas the A3 has a 4" screen
Also remember though that the web browser costs 30USD and the Mini Docking Adapter costs another 30USD. If you want to record video like the A3 that'll cost 60USD. These prices are from Archos' site, so you may be able to find cheaper versions elsewhere.
So, the only places that the 605 wifi has a heads up on the A3 are the WiFi, touch screen, HD space and screen size (which is pretty insignificant). If those matter to you then get the 605. If not, for all of the other features, the A3 is better.
Ill take a quality non touch screen over a mediocre touch screen any day. I WATCH VIDEOS WITH MY EYES, NOT MY FINGERS.
A full docking station used to record TV on the Archos is WELL over 30 USD. The Mini dock sucks.
instigator
12-12-2007, 10:14
Yeah, the full dock costs $100 Canadian where I live - which is roughly $100 US.
the A3 trumps the archos in many areas however there is one issue with the A3 that I feel personally is inexcusable considering Cowons track record in this department......BATTERY LIFE. 7hrs for video on the A3 I think is very decent but only 9/10 hours for audio! (which in reality is probably more like 8) Even the arcos 605/604 and the old AV500 has a lot more than that! Thats inexcusable in my opionion considering cowon squeezed close on 50 hrs (not 52 in reality) from the d2! and is frquently praised for their battery life (the a2 is said to be great too) How can you market a portable audio product with such abysmal battery life? I'd probably still go with the A3 but if your expecting to listen to a lot of music on a single charge, then you will not be pleased. Why do these companies find it so hard to tick all the boxes? I thought the A3 would be the complete media solution but it is let down by what I would consider to be one of the 1st things to get right on a device like this. I wish there was more competition than just archos and cowon in Europe and the US. iStation and other korean companies should break out of korea and start shipping to Europe and the rest of the world.
the A3 trumps the archos in many areas however there is one issue with the A3 that I feel personally is inexcusable considering Cowons track record in this department......BATTERY LIFE. 7hrs for video on the A3 I think is very decent but only 9/10 hours for audio! (which in reality is probably more like 8) Even the arcos 605/604 and the old AV500 has a lot more than that! Thats inexcusable in my opionion considering cowon squeezed close on 50 hrs (not 52 in reality) from the d2! and is frquently praised for their battery life (the a2 is said to be great too) How can you market a portable audio product with such abysmal battery life? I'd probably still go with the A3 but if your expecting to listen to a lot of music on a single charge, then you will not be pleased. Why do these companies find it so hard to tick all the boxes? I thought the A3 would be the complete media solution but it is let down by what I would consider to be one of the 1st things to get right on a device like this. I wish there was more competition than just archos and cowon in Europe and the US. iStation and other korean companies should break out of korea and start shipping to Europe and the rest of the world.
battery life is decreased due to drain from the DaVinci chip. nothing they can do about it, really. chip eats more power and lithium batteries have a limit.
if you don't need HD playback then you want to stick with a more power efficient device.
Would have loved to have the A3 , but where i live i managed to get my hands on an 80gb touch screen archos 705 wi fi from QVC UK at their "special intro price" with a bundled docking station & free web browser plug in and it was still cheaper than the 60gb A3. It wasn't even close either i was saving around £40.
Ok i know from owning a D2 ( which i think is a great unit) the sound and screen on the A3 will be superior but I've got a decent 7" touchscreen device with full remote control ( fairly well designed as well with a micro qwerty keyboard on it ) , web broswer, Wi fi ( love streaming films / music from my PC to anywhere in the house) , access to on-demand films (payview) and 20gb more memory . I'm just disapointed that especially with the D2 technology Cowon have failed to update the user interface on the A3, and price the A3 more competitively , so for that reason i went for the 705 and i haven't regretted it so far even though Archos annoy the hell out of me for charging for everything, but it was just too good a deal to turn down ( for my needs) in comparision to the A3.
i am wondering the same thing. waiting for some reviews on the a3 before i bite :). The only thing the a3 should have is wifi. But if the a3 eventually playes 720p MKV's smoothly and with component 720p out, it will be the clear winner
A couple things to keep in mind.
The 605 may cost the same as the A3 on the FRONT END, but do you plan you record TV? Use TV out? Use A lot of different file types? All of these things will cost you more with the Archos. Over $100.00.
Having Owned a couple Archos (404 and 605), and an A2, I can tell you the screen is nothing compared to the A2/3's. Battery lief comes up short, format support is a joke in comparison, build quality of the Archos is CRAP, and the sound...well....haha...not even close, its like comparing a dodge viper and dodge neon. :-)
Get the A3.
A couple of points you missed for Archos it has wifi, the a3 doesnt, I think the 504 I has was better made with hard buttons than the a3 which has that flimsy toggle stick, but apart from abbove Cowon wins in my mind. My eye didnt see any difference in the 504 and a2 screen I owned.
Here are my pros and cons:
Archos 605 160GB WIFI (I own one)
PROS:
- WIFI - Internet, transfer files thru wireless
- Touchscreen
- Better button layout (much better than the Cowon nub)
- DVR Option (never gonna use it)
- Play flash games
- Loads movies instantly, better rewind/fastforward capabilities
- 160GB
CONS:
-Pay for EVERY feature that should come bundled for free, such as:
-Opera Web Browser - $30
-Cinema Plugin - $20
-Video Podcast Plugin - $20
- Proprietary USB connector
- NO AC/DC cable, must charge thru USB
- Must buy optional equipment to enable features such as DVR, prolong battery life, enable USB host, charge thru AC/DC
- Doesn't support all video formats such as Quicktime or WMV8-9
- Sound quality is very disappointing
Cowon A2 (should be pretty much like the A3)
PROS:
- SOUND QUALITY is simply AMAZING! Trust me, it really is superfantastic!
- Supports all video formats w/o re-encoding or paying for it
- Built-in stereo speakers
- Comes with TV-output cables, USB Host cables, AC adapter, pretty much ready to play right out of the box
- Records TV and voice recorder out of the box
- Standard mini-USB port
CONS:
- No WIFI
- No touchscreen
- No hard drive bigger than 60GB
- Navigation nub is finicky, hard to push down as a button
- Takes a short moment to load big movies
- Larger than Archos 605, but that's because everything is already bundled
In my conclusion, I'm going to sell my Archos 605 160GB EVEN though I've purchased the Opera plugin and battery dock already. This thing is the jack of all trades and all works very well, but the sound quality is very, very disappointing. So disappointing, that I'm selling it. I think my antiquated Iriver H320 sounds better than the Archos, but the Cowon trumps in sound quality. Although the Cowon's lack of WIFI, touchscreen, and large hard drive is really upsetting me, I'm going to purchase an A3 in the future just because of the AWESOME sound quality. So the question really comes down to: Can you accept Archos' inferior sound quality for a feature packed player (that you'll have to pay more for)? If sound quality is really an issue, consider getting the Cowon A3. And if you do, don't make the mistake of using crappy headphones, because it will just sound crappy. You need pretty good quality headphones to make the A3 really shine.
Hope this helps.
H3xx series, now your talking! Still the best dap around as too the a2 for video/sound and battery life, you have good taste Cruise
Gregory House
12-20-2007, 02:43
I'm going to sell my Archos 605 160GB EV...but the sound quality is very, very disappointing. So disappointing, that I'm selling it. .
If the 705 is as disappointing audio-wise I'll confine my decision to: A3, D2, or Q5
thanks
here's a comparison that I'm using in the review
http://www.dapreview.net/reviews/A3/_DAPreview_A3_review_A3_vs_605.html
LMK if there are any errors and I'll correct, I don't have a 605
Video comparison Here (http://dapreview.net/news.php)
If the 705 is as disappointing audio-wise I'll confine my decision to: A3, D2, or Q5
thanks
Now I have not tried the 705. However to offer a bit or balance to your problem. Have you tried a good set of headphones? Most free headphones that come with a mp3 player is typically bad. So try a good pair.
I have both the 605 and A3, if I had to keep only 1 it would be the 605. The touch screen is too convenient for me to give up. But FYI, I use these only for video, so audio quality is not a big deal for me. I do like the screen quality of the A3 a little better, but that's the price you pay for the touch screen.
I have both the 605 and A3, if I had to keep only 1 it would be the 605. The touch screen is too convenient for me to give up. But FYI, I use these only for video, so audio quality is not a big deal for me. I do like the screen quality of the A3 a little better, but that's the price you pay for the touch screen.
Hmm...the q5w has a bigger better touch screen....so I would disagree you ahve to have a sub par screen to get touch.
Video comparison Here (http://dapreview.net/news.php)
Hmmm.. almost identical screen wise to my 504 vs A2 comparison... in that one you can see the better contrast and better color saturation as well. I know that the 605 and A3 have higher resolution, but you can't see that with youtube... but can see the contrast and color saturation differences and it looks almost identical to my review of the 504 vs A2.
does it look almost identical to your review of the 504 vs. A2?
Hmm...the q5w has a bigger better touch screen....so I would disagree you ahve to have a sub par screen to get touch.
Yeah, actually I have the Q5W too (and others as well, believe it or not). The Q5W screen is great, but like other touch screens it has a grainy-ish look to it, and a different type of contrast.
Hey guys, first post here, but I hope I can help with this, and sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.
For christmas (it was early), I got the A3 and my brother got the 605. Both of these players are exceptional. Video and screen quality on both is very nice, as is the audio (i listened to both with the SAME headphones).
The A3 has an edge with quality, and it slaughters the 605 with format support. The edge isn't big, but if you're an audiophile or videophile, it will probably make a difference.
I would sum the A3 vs 605 argument up easily. A3 is for hardcore audio/video fans, and 605 is more for leisurely watching of videos with web and a touch screen. I have found after showing both of these around the family get together, have their own audiences. The A3 got the attention of the adults and the more tech savy, while the 605 got the attention of everyone else.
The 605 is PERFECT for casual watching and listening and browsing, and the A3 is PERFECT for hardcore watching and listening.
You just need to ask yourself if you need a PMP that is more focused on media, or a PMP that is more like a PDA PMP bastard child (sounds bad, but it's a good thing).
Hey guys, first post here, but I hope I can help with this, and sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.
For christmas (it was early), I got the A3 and my brother got the 605. Both of these players are exceptional. Video and screen quality on both is very nice, as is the audio (i listened to both with the SAME headphones).
The A3 has an edge with quality, and it slaughters the 605 with format support. The edge isn't big, but if you're an audiophile or videophile, it will probably make a difference.
I would sum the A3 vs 605 argument up easily. A3 is for hardcore audio/video fans, and 605 is more for leisurely watching of videos with web and a touch screen. I have found after showing both of these around the family get together, have their own audiences. The A3 got the attention of the adults and the more tech savy, while the 605 got the attention of everyone else.
The 605 is PERFECT for casual watching and listening and browsing, and the A3 is PERFECT for hardcore watching and listening.
You just need to ask yourself if you need a PMP that is more focused on media, or a PMP that is more like a PDA PMP bastard child (sounds bad, but it's a good thing).
Very impressive first post!
Welcome to the forum and the hands on summation, i guess also the price difference is also a big factor for some, but obviously we have to compare oranges to oranges, like having to add things as codecs, ac adapters etc
Very impressive first post!
Welcome to the forum and the hands on summation, i guess also the price difference is also a big factor for some, but obviously we have to compare oranges to oranges, like having to add things as codecs, ac adapters etc
That is exactly why I claimed the 605 is more for casual people (from experience, I'd say that the vast majority of video rippers and downloads are all DIVX or XVID with mp3 audio. My little brother would never use the video recording, nor would he use the video output. He's more impressed by the fact that the 605 can show up the 605 rather well. My sister is a mac lover, and she picked it up, and she seemed a little envious.
After some time, I've noticed that the 605 has poor wifi reception, and that the fact that it just doesn't come with a wall charger is lame, because it takes a while for it to charge via USB. To be honest, I have a DS with an M3, and some homebrew wifi apps, and the DS can connect to access points and do DNS lookups farther away from the AP than the 605.
Also, the 605 has a lot of nag screens asking you to buy things. It makes me ask, "damn, did this thing just cost 300 dollars? It's already begging for more money?"
Gadgeter
12-25-2007, 05:12
Let me start by saying that it is kinda difficult to receive an objective answer from a Cowon Fans forum, concerning Archos players. Personally i have both the Cowon A3 and the Archos 605, and from what i've read so far, there are only 2 fair responds to this post.
So here is the most objective impression i can deliver:
Audio/Video Formats - The A3 is the king of formats. You get most of the common popular formats available in the market. The Archos 605 supports wide range of formats as well, but not like the A3. I guess this is the reason why the A3 is more expensive, since you get so many audio and video files support. However, you can buy the missing video formats as a plugin...so you can extend your Archos formats support, but as i know, most people prefer it in the bundle out of the store.
Music - After many tests, i think the A3 has a minor advantage (I'm using Shure E2c). When i first got the Archos 605, i was disappointed from the very low sound level. When i started investigating the reason, i found that the problem is with the European legislation rules. It seems in Europe there is limitation for music level, so manufactures are limited with the sound volume. Having said that, on the last firmware update, Archos improved this issue dramatically and the sound level is much much higher and better. A good test is to connect it to the stereo receiver and realize it is much clearer to hear. So after the Archos improvement, still a slight advantage to the A3.
Video - Sorry guys, the Archos 605 wins on this one. Archos was the first company to bring the PMP to the world and this people know how to make a video. The quality of the Archos is much better than the A3, though Cowon made huge improvements with their quality. The A3 plays more formats and as i mentioned this is an advantage, but it plays HD movies choppy (around 2 to 3 frames). The Archos still doesn't support HD files but as i understand it will, on January 2008 with 24 frames per second - we'll see !!
So i tested wide range of video formats and compared them, and the Archos (in my opinion) is the winner on this category.
Photos - Archos 605 wins on this category, though the A3 supports more formats. The photos looks so much better with the Archos and the ability to slide them with the finger and the animation in between the photos looks better with the 605. Also, the Archos has great thumbnail preview so i guess Cowon has a lot to improve on this issue.
Navigation+Screen: the Archos wins here as well. Cowon improved their screen quality but it has more reflection than the Archos and you can see yourself at the back of the screen. In addition, the Archos has 4.3" vs. A3 4", and every inch counts.
Navigation is much better with the Archos 605 since it combines both the great touch screen and the tactile buttons. The A3 has this clumpy joystick that barely responds while pushing it. Cowon should change this concept, since touch screen is the new tech on the block and it is funny to read responds claiming the touch issue is neglected, it is SO BIG ADVANTAGE...
Also, the Archos is much faster and intuitive than the A3, it is hard to explain, just use them both and figure out. Not to say, the Archos interface is much more comfortable in my opinion.
Size & Equipment: The A3 is a little bulkier than the Archos 605, but i guess if you buy one of those, it is not for a jog.
I think the A3 wins on this one since it is equipped with more outs build-in. People want as much as possible in their bundle and with the A3 you get built-in mic (Archos doesn't have 1), USB hub, Video in/out, AC/DC out, 2 great speakers (Archos has only 1 - mono), etc. I wish the Archos had all of this built in, but it doesn't. You need to buy the mini dock (it is really a miniature accessory) to get all those build-ins that A3 has. The price is 30$ and it is not a burden to carry it along side the Archos, but i wish those things were part of the player.
WiFi+Internet - The Archos 605 has it, the A3 doesn't. It is hilarious to read that people don't really think the WiFi and the internet is a huge advantage, and i say - Cmon...Gimme A Break.
Having Internet on the Archos 605 is a MAMMOTH advantage on the A3. The internet looks great and the Opera browser supports flash to play Youtube and download files. It also supports widgets and games that the A3 is lack of them. But the WiFi is not just internet, it is also the ability to forward files wireless, between your network computers, and it is also the ability to stream media wireless, from your computer to your TV - Huge Advantage.
I bet if Cowon would have created a WiFi accessory to the A3, each one of this forum members would rushed buying it (too bad it can't work without a touch screen).
Recording - Archos 605 wins on this one. A3 improved its recordings quality compared to the A2, however, in my eyes, you get much better recording quality with the 605. The Archos also has this EPG table available to download from the internet, so you can have the programs table list in your Archos (just like in cables) and all you need is to press your favorite show to add it to your
recording setup. The A3 has only the manual recording add-on.
Battery Life: First, let me tip all the newbies, concerning battery handling, as you use your PMPs for the first time - On both the A3 and the Archos 605, you should charge it to full and then use it to drain. You should repeat this action around 4-5 times, as it will improve the battery life.
As for battery life - After exerting the device as mentioned above, Archos 605 has 5.5 hours of video, 17 hours of music, 5-8 hours of internet surfing. You can also purchase the battery dock (around 40$) to increase video use to 8-9 hours and music to 21-22 hours at most. The A3 has 7 hours of video (basically longer than the Archos, without the battery dock) and POOR music battery life of only around 9 hours (Cmon Cowon, even the D2 is much much better).
Extras - The A3 has FM radio which is nice addition to a player...The Archos doesn't have it.
The Archos has this cool Qwerty remote (comes with the DVR Station) to control your Archos, as it's connected to your TV, and even surf the internet from your couch. Needless to say the A3 doesn't have this.
Digital Music - The Archos supports digital music, the A3 doesn't. This is very important issue since you can connect your Archos device to your home theater receiver with the SPDIF out (threw the DVR Station - 70$ nowadays), and listen to 5.1 AC3 format from the movies.
The End - To read the respond of sdlvx, saying that Archos is for regular people looking for casual use and A3 is for Pro users, is like reading a joke. Every one is entitles to think and write whatever he/she wants, but as a gadgets fanatic and someone who literally had all the gadgets ever made (not exaggerating) i think the opposite of his respond should reflect reality better.
Bottom line - If you are strictly into music - Go for the A3, but if you are into video and WiFi - Go for the Archos 605.
thanks Gadgeter for your words - i am still debating whether to buy an A3 or 605.
i thought A3 screen was better but you think not.
how about a comparison of battery life (with and without battery dock)
and charge times etc.
Gadgeter
12-25-2007, 05:51
good point ashpah,
I added to my review the battery life issue. Also edited the Recording and the Remote control issues.
As for charging time, the A3 comes with built-in AC/DC out, so basically without any accessories, the charging is faster than the Archos, since you can only charge threw USB cable and it takes around 8 - 12 hours (!). However, if you buy the mini dock that was mentioned or the DVR Station, the charge takes around 3 hours, threw the AC/DC.
Kylearan
12-25-2007, 12:43
I can't speak to the quality differences between the A3 and 605 that Gadgeter mentions, such as screen quality, but there are a few points that are missing information, so let's clear up a couple things.
There are some video and audio codecs on the A3 that you simply can't buy for the Archos, no matter what. MKV and OGM on the video front, for starters.
RE: HD video on the A3, I have used ffmpeg on my G5 to encode Divx MPEG4 files using mencoder to AVI containers running in 720p high definition and they run with no stutter. None. Also have success doing Xvid animation in 720p. No slowdown at all.
Some MKV files in HD definitely skip frames, but re-encodes of the same files using MoKgVm2DVD also result in AVI Divx files running in HD without stutter.
Now, there are certainly problems with 264 Main Profile, but there are also other file formats out there for HD. And at least some of them work fine.
As for battery longevity, the audio time on the A3 IS a complete mystery -- 9 hours? That's ridiculous. (Agreed, c'mon Cowon!) But I have managed to eek more than 7 hours out of the video playback, by keeping the LCD at a level of 2 and using Shure headphones (E2c also) with a volume of 7. Also, there IS a AA battery attachment for the A3 -- you've just got to do some internet searching (can you say eBay?); it allows for two full internal battery recharges or direct powering via the mini USB port, which lifts the A3's video life to at least 21 hours. And it's less than $30.
Also not noted are the Video Out features. Can't speak to the 605, but I have used the A3 on both a tube screen (composite) and a full 50" DLP (component) -- and the quality is damned good on both. The component out on the 50" DLP was phenomenal, with only a 480p output ... you'd swear it was digital HD cable.
Like the codec support, FM radio and Video In features, the Video Out is standard with the A3. Cables included.
I haven't even played with the FLAC recording yet, so can't speak to that, either.
No doubt the A3 would be better with touch screen ... and I suppose WiFi, though personally it'd be useless for me as I use it mostly for plane flights. Also, we all have tons of ways to access the internet these days; a 4" or 4.3" PMP certainly wouldn't be my choice for access.
Also, pretty sure the dual speakers on the A3 are mono, like the 605.
Anyway, maybe it's true that the 605 plays video better. But if you want FULL codec support, and have any interest in anime at all, well, the A3 is the way to go. If you want or need touch screen and WiFi, that also makes the choice pretty clear. But there is also a fair share of post-purchase nickel-and-diming with Archos, for features already included with the A3 ... and for a couple that aren't.
Frankly, I don't think you can truly go wrong with either player. It was really the MKV and OGM support of the A3 that sold me on it. If the 605 had support for either format, I probably would've already had one by the time the A3 came out.
Gadgeter
12-25-2007, 15:07
Hey Kylearan,
Thanks for your educated remarks, i must say i agree with all of them. As i mentioned, the A3 is the king of formats.
As for the HD, i referred to WMV 9 format, which in my perspective, is going to control the HD market (am i wrong?). Here's a link for some WMV HD movies, try them:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx
Uh... probably wrong. I mean WMV 9 is not what HD (USA) is using.
Your mpeg4 codecs are more likely (H.264, x.264, etc).
I'd say WMV9 is last place personally.
lucalan66
01-01-2008, 11:42
Well, i am latin american... what about subtitles support on A3?, i think the 605 hasn't that function..
Hi there! Asking myself the same question, should I buy A3 or 605, I came to this conclusion: [blush]
* ARCHOS 605 wins for: touchscreen-navigation, lighter, Wifi, DVR station, 16h audio autonomy, warranty less expected to be used, cheaper [unsure]
* COWON A3 wins for: audio quality, video quality, nb of supported formats, FM radio, TV option, no additional purchases for Wifi or Mpeg2 video format, line-in to register from DVD or TV [rolleyes]
Based on that, personally I'd go for the A3. [yes]
Do you have different information about A3 vs 605 ?
Thanks !
Gadgeter
01-06-2008, 03:55
Well, i am latin american... what about subtitles support on A3?, i think the 605 hasn't that function..
The 605 fully supports subtitles.
Mr. Black
01-06-2008, 05:41
Well, i am latin american... what about subtitles support on A3?, i think the 605 hasn't that function..
the A3 supports SMI, SRT, SUB(Text format), DivX bitmap, not sure what formats of subtitles the 605 supports
Let me start by saying that it is kinda difficult to receive an objective answer from a Cowon Fans forum.....
My A3 arrives on Monday or Tuesday. I'll be happy to post some points too, I'm not a Cowon fan (yet), having been previously an iPod 3G user and subsequently owning the Creative Zen Vision 30 GB (with its glorious 640by480 3.7" screen and codec support almost as large as Cowon's). From the video reviews the Cowon looks dead gorgeous. I was also torn between the Q5W and the A3 - but then I decided that I'd prefer a wider range of playable formats (H246) vs the internet Wifi connectivity of the Q5. The fact that the A3 apparently doesn't do H246 MainProfile very well is a bit of a let down, but
since this player can decode 1280 by 720 xvid video it should have the power to decode this too (at least in SD resolutions), so hopefully with a firmware upgrade we'll see that appear.
My CZV can only achieve a max of 4 hours of video with the LCD brightness at its lowest (it's still bright enough for viewing) however the CZV comes with detachable batteries as well
as extended batteries you could purchase. That is a bonus as batteries don't tend to last too long despite the Li Polymer technology being quite mature at present. Does any1 know if Cowon offers a battery replacement programme or maybe
they sell these online somewhere for self-replacement?
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