Samsung YH-J70...X5 Killer? [Archive] - iAudiophile.net Forums

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 15:22

Hey guys I thought I'd post this in here seeing as it is probably the closest player to the x5 i've seen so far. I was planning on getting an x5 but just might as well wait for this as it seems to have everything and more. I personally think this could be one of the most perfect players out there with pretty much anything anyone could want in a player. Its damn small, very light, awesome battery life, has a dock, case and remote included, mp4 playback, usb host, game playback (Tetris w00t w00t) and what seems like file tree navi (a huge plus for me as that is how i organize my music) Plus it looks RELATIVELY good looks wise (IMO) with a choice of black or white. Please post any news in here that you can find!

http://image.popco.net/Review/ENT/YH-J70/j70_01.jpg

size: 62x99.8x16.4 mm
weight: 135g
Lithum Ion Battery
25 hours playback
support OGG, MP3, WMA , ASF
MOVIE
IMAGE VIEWER
5 Games
Text viewer
G-Sensor (it automatically stop hd drive if it is dropped in order to prevent bad-sector)
USB HOST (I believe it has USB 2.0 host)
FM RADIO
Voice Recording
Direct encoding
Clock
USB 2.0
Removable Disk Drive (UMS I guess)
Firmware Upgradable
Support multi-languages
automatic-lyrics-support

There are plenty more pictures over here at

http://www.mpmate.com/sbuilder/bbs/hw/hw.jsp?id=PowerGallery&mode=view&action=view&hwNo=986

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/604313-1.html

bradavon

04-25-2005, 15:40

When is it out? How big is the screen?

To confirm it definitely has:

Video playback
Direct Encoding
File tree navigation

If so I'm loving it so far.

Does it have digital in as well as analogue line in?

p.s - More info:

http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5874.html

Lovely pics:

http://www.mpmate.com/sbuilder/bbs/hw/hw.jsp?id=PowerGallery&mode=view&action=view&hwNo=986

jwalkabout

04-25-2005, 15:41

Looks good and the specs too. My only question would be how is the sound.

Krishna

04-25-2005, 15:53

The design itself is not as good as the X5 (looks kind of ugly IMHO), but the features look good. If it has UMS (drag and drop) support than it it will be worth a look. Samsungs generally sound pretty good. Not great, but good. Controls don't look that great though.

Features that would be nice:

OTG Playlists
Enque Songs
Album Art when song is played

The First two would make it equal with the X5 IMO, but the last would put it over.

bradavon

04-25-2005, 15:54

I prefer the white one. The remote looks very boring.

Enque Songs
What does this mean?

luuk

04-25-2005, 16:05

hey, I sure think this could be the x5(l) killer.
I first wanted to but the x5l(30gb), but then I realized how big it would be, so I searched for another player; the sony nw-hd5h. really small, but almost no features. And now i'm maybe going to buy this baby, at least when it's released before the summer for a reasonable price(370 us dollar or so). It has all what the x5 has and a nice batterylife. wonder if it's really 25 hours...

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 16:06

supposedly it is out in April? I saw a news post on dapreview that said that although I am guessing sometime in May then. The screen size is 1.8'' and I am not sure about what kind of line in it has. Other wise I will definately be trading in my gmini 400 for this

bradavon

04-25-2005, 16:08

Thanks.

Isn't it roughly the same size as an X5L though? What are the dimensions of an X5L? I've looked on the site but can't find them.

What makes it much smaller? What features does the X5 have over this?

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 16:12

i am not certain about the x5 dimensions but this is about 4'' x 2.4'' x .7''

If you look at the comments here they compare it to the ipod mini

http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.1419

luuk

04-25-2005, 16:16

the samsung has over the x5 some games on it, I thought it will have id3tag browsing and that's about it. The rest of the features on the yh-j70 aren't clear yet, and how good they will work (line-in etc.). the x5l is much fatter(probably 22/23 mm thick) on the hump, and that's really thick!
Finally samsung brings some news about this machine, it maybe bad for cowonbusiness but it gives us(at leat me) another option.

bradavon

04-25-2005, 16:19

Bar the width being much less it's about the same though right? So to confirm it doesn't have ID3 tagging?

Bar the size the X5L looks much, much nicer in every respect. The G-Sensor looks like a good idea though.

zaphanathpaneah

04-25-2005, 16:24

Games.........that would be sweet on any DAP. However the asthetic appeal of the samung is out weighd by the fact that Samsung players have always gotten less than stella reviews and sell a small percent of players in the market. I like samsung cell phones ( i have 2) but as a DAP...let's hear what it sounds like and then judge it.

Krishna

04-25-2005, 16:32

I've had a Samsung HDD mp3 player. It was their first attempt and it was fairly simple to use, and sounded alright. My complaints with it were the battery life, the size, the weight, the playlist functionality, and the Napster software. It seems they have fixed most of those problems with this interation.

None the less their support is terrible. I think in the year that I had my Samsung they updated the firmware once, and they haven't updated it since (sold it to a friend who enjoys it).

Brad- Enque song means that the song will play next after the one playing has stopped playing.

Also when comparing HDD Daps interms of size the other aspects are not as important as the thickness, IMO. At the current technology DAPs should be no thicker than 18mm. Otherwise its basically outdated and outsized, IMHO.

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 16:39

luuk

04-25-2005, 16:45

does anyone know how many pixels it has?
According to the picture it has more pixels than the x5( which I think was great, about 1 year ago, now-adays it must have more pixels like the iriver I think).

zaphanathpaneah

04-25-2005, 16:49

Samsung is a great company and has produced many innovative products. TV's, LCD monitors, cameras just to mention a few. DAP's is a new market for them and they are gaining ground but slowly. The link BTBAM provided proves just that...they are hungry for market share. This makes for fair competition, competitive pricing and innovative design. Let's see where they go with the mp3 "clone" wars.

8ounce

04-25-2005, 16:56

http://www.gtbusiness.com/article_news.asp?guid=30B34DC7-21AD-4AFC-B7AD-DF3D60B9C0AE

Link doesn't work for me..

zaphanathpaneah

04-25-2005, 16:59

http://www.gtbusiness.com/article_news.asp?guid=30B34DC7-21AD-4AFC-B7AD-DF3D60B9C0AE
hmmmmm....it works.

zaphanathpaneah

04-25-2005, 16:59

don't copy it, just click it. Sorry if this seems redundant

Erasure4ever

04-25-2005, 18:53

If everything was equal to X5, I'd still not like it simply because the design is fugly.

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 20:08

I personally think it looks a lot nicer than the X5 but thats just me. The shiny black is just much more attractive than the x5's casing.

korinengell

04-25-2005, 20:08

If everything was equal to X5, I'd still not like it simply because the design is fugly.

Way fugly! And I believe it uses DRM and it does not seem to have USB-OTG so it's a no go from me.

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 21:12

It actually doenst use DRM its UMS compatable and it does have usb host, usb 2.0 from what i have heard. Check the above specs those are what we have gathered so far about this

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 21:25

From Samsung's site

The YH-J70 multimedia player is an all-in-one personal entertainment device which not only plays high quality music, but comes with a games function and MPEG4 playback capability. Download your favorite movie files in MPEG4 format and enjoy it through YH-J70 wherever you go. This portable compact size yet powerful multimedia file playback function displays onto a 1.8" TFT-LCD, bringing you a little bit of Hollywood into your palm. It has a high capacity 20/30GB hard disk drive which can hold up to 5,000 / 7,000 songs. The USB Host function lets you connect other digital devices to YH-J70 without going through PCs. Pictures taken by digital still cameras can be directly transferred to YH-J70 through USB to view picture images. No need to go through PCs to transform the picture image. In addition to the digital still camera and other devices can be connected to the YH-J70 thanks to its USB Host function. Adopting USB 2.0, which is 48 times faster than USB 1.0 enables the YH-J70 to easily transfer digital contents between devices.

Note the last line varifying the usb 2.0 host functionality.

SoN of ChrisTTT

04-25-2005, 22:20

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 22:49

uhh, anything SAMSUNG in mp3 players SUCK becuz they make you go thru some shitty software to DL files onto player.. TRUST ME SAMSUNG SUCKS!! I had bought one and it was defected and wouldnt even turn on half the times and kept crashing, the software I had to go thru was the napster site, it was an awful experience and I returned it right away even tho I was charged 15% restocking fee..

The salesperson was llike, "look I wont charge you that 15% if you just buy another one from the store"

I said, "NO WAY! I dont want anything SAMSUNG PERIOD"

Thats why I hate SAMSUNG, LOOK into this, I guarantee you they will make you go through some shitty software.. IT will NOT be drag and drop... And that is enough to drop any thought of buying this player..

becuz there software will crash along with their players..

SAMSUNG should stick with cell phones and leave it at that...

Although your adolescent ranting and cussing is surely appropriate in this forum (: I am afraid that you are wrong. Samsung's previous DAP's were created in direct cooperation with Napster and its software. Thus, file transfers did have to go through that "shitty software". However, if you do any research whatsoever, you will see that their current lineup of mp3 players DO NOT have any association with Napster and will support Mass Storage Compliance as the above specs show. I for one can attest that I absolutely REQUIRE drag and drop transfers with my DAP's because my entire 20+ gig collection has been organized by me through a file tree navigation that will not work without mass storage compliance. I would not have spent time researching this player and its features and specs if I was not sure that it supported this. Please do some research or just read the previous threads before you rant and raddle away with your ridiculously misinformed claims. If you check CNET.com as well you can notice that all their flash players support drag and drop through MS Explorer, further proof that they will use this in their new players.

SoN of ChrisTTT

04-25-2005, 22:56

let me also add that with all SAMSUNG players you will need the cradle to charge, you will HAVE to carry the cradle to charge this baby, LOL...!

BTBAM

04-25-2005, 23:29

Yeah that will suck but I am guessing they have this in mind as well and will most likely release a travel cable but also keep in mind that this gets over twice the battery life of the regular x5 anyway

korinengell

04-25-2005, 23:29

SAMSUNG should stick with cell phones and leave it at that...

And LCD monitors.

Fido

04-25-2005, 23:33

The only thing it has going for it is the 25 hour battery. Other than that, I'm weary of buying a player from a company with a bad track record. I mean partnering up with napster is not an easy thing to forgive.

Erasure4ever

04-25-2005, 23:45

The X5L has 35hr battery so this hideous Samsung DAP will not get many buyers.

8ounce

04-26-2005, 00:18

An advantage that an iAudio and iRiver have that some may overlook or take for granted is this forum as well as MisticRiver. Very useful sources of information to troubleshoot and/or share problems and ideas. I think that's pretty big. Word.

mintcheerios

04-26-2005, 01:08

The 25 hour battery and size is attractive. It looks like they have a pretty nice product.

Erasure4ever

04-26-2005, 01:55

There's nothing really special about the size. It's thinner than a X5L, but it has 25hr vs 35h. If size was that important then just get the SONY HD5 ;)

X5 (103.7 X 60.8 X 14.3 mm)

YH-J70 (99.8 X 62 X 16.4 mm)

http://ihome.iaudio.com/iaudio_board/zeroboard/data/C50/Untitled-1.jpg

danson

04-26-2005, 02:19

I just don't like the design. It looks cheap.

Erasure4ever

04-26-2005, 02:20

I just don't like the design. It looks cheap.

Yes it looks cheap AND ugly.

mintcheerios

04-26-2005, 02:41

Well the size is good for 25 hours. It's kind of in between the L and the non L. I'm not that interested in long battery life since I don't mind charging every night. If I really needed a lot of juice, I could just make a battery pack. Samsung is going in the right direction it seems. What other company that big offers ogg vorbis in their players much less their cellphones (sgh-i300).

BTBAM

04-26-2005, 02:54

To each their own i guess I personally like the design of the samsung more but thats just me. Also a major perk for me is the idea of having all the accessories INCLUDED instead of buying the dock, case and remote. All of these are included with the samsung, or will most likely be included based on their past track record and what I have heard of this release.

Erasure4ever

04-26-2005, 03:01

I'd rather have the dock sold separately for those who don't need it.

itou

04-26-2005, 04:58

SAMSUNG should stick with cell phones and leave it at that...

And LCD monitors.

Indeed

austinv

04-26-2005, 05:56

Played with all of Samsung's new players at CES and CeBIT. They look kind of goofy but the color screens are nice as well as the GUI. Tetris is a cool feature. But I'd rather have the X5, I think.

lonechicken

04-26-2005, 08:54

It actually seems like Samsung is getting down and dirty in the mp3 buisness now and, like Creative, has declared battle on Apple. What this means, if you ask me, is competitive pricing, better DAP's (e.t. the YH-J70) and BETTER SUPPORT, although that last one could be debateable. However, check out this link, it seems as though they really are serious.

The problem here is, we'll never see the iPods get taken down because all these companies seem to be battling each other for that last 8% or whatever of the share left over by Apple. These ain't small companies: Sony, Samsung, Dell, CreativeLabs, Toshiba, and Microsoft/Napster/Wallmart on the store side. Throw in a few of former big guns of the mp3 world that are now in this pack of also rans, iRiver, Archos and Rio.

United with just one online store, one great player interface, and maybe less than a half dozen player styles, and maybe they've got a shot at reversing the trend. Then afterwards, maybe they can split off and innovate. With 30 or so different players almost all with awful uncatchy names using random letters and numbers, all with different interfaces, I just don't see this dominance ending anytime soon...

Or the small hard drive companies come up with something even more tiny that stores some ridiculous amount like 120gigs, costing less than current 20/30/60 gig drives. Then, establishing an embargo against Apple and only selling these new super drives to the other companies. Then, maybe Apple gets taken down. Unlikely, since these people are in the business of making money, so they would definitely sell drives to Apple.:)

lonechicken

04-26-2005, 09:02

I like the battery life of that Samsung, but the fifty buttons and knobs to navigate around will hold this player back. That non-standard USB port isn't a deal breaker, but it's something I know would bug the hell out of me just like the M3's adapter thing.

Somewhere between Apple's one control does everything clickwheel, and this Samsung's 50 controls, there's a better navigational device.

jw0613

04-26-2005, 10:56

the screen looks way smaller than 1.8 inches...
the person who is holding it could probably cover most of the screen with the thumb..
but then again.. the player itself is seems small..

bradavon

04-26-2005, 16:20

Brad- Enque song means that the song will play next after the one playing has stopped playing.
Thanks

Surely this is standard? or are you saying some DAPs you have to use playlists to achieve this.

Download your favorite movie files in MPEG4 format
I'm surprised Samsung said that and besides I seriously doubt it's that simple. Most movies you download have a resolution far greater than this player could ever handle.

The X5L has 35hr battery so this hideous Samsung DAP will not get many buyers.
IMO only it's size makes it remotely worth considering and that for me is not enough to justify changing from the X5L (when I finally get it :D ).

Almost all with awful uncatchy names using random letters and numbers, all with different interfaces, I just don't see this dominance ending anytime soon...
Exactly. This must seem like a small thing to these companies but to Joe Public the name of Ipod is very catchy and you remember it. I was at a Helpdesk/Security show today in London and got asked about 4 times if I wanted to enter a competition to buy an Ipod.

There's nothing really special about the size. It's thinner than a X5L, but it has 25hr vs 35h. If size was that important then just get the SONY HD5 ;)

X5 (103.7 X 60.8 X 14.3 mm)
YH-J70 (99.8 X 62 X 16.4 mm)
Can you add the X5L to that list please?

bradavon

05-02-2005, 06:46

Any updates on this player? Any reviews or mini reviews? When is it out?

Thanks

foreigngadgetlove

05-02-2005, 21:19

Ha...The Samsung will be solid competition at best. Certainly no X5 killer...

After spending time here and seeing the kind of care and support Cowon provide, I would have a hard time considering another brand of DAP.

Also, people should understand that the iPod is to DAPs what the WalkMan was to cassettes and CDs. It's certainly not going away, and unless the things start spontaneously exploding, there's no way it'll be unthroned. College kids salivate over the iPod. I'd be willing to bet the percentage of them who have heard of iAudio is, unfortunately, infinitesimal.

Any updates on this player? Any reviews or mini reviews? When is it out?

Thanks

A partial review of the X5 was posted on the main page just recently. If a review of the Samsung shows up, you will likely be able to find it on www.dapreview.com (I believe there have been several previews or partial reviews of the Samsung on Korean sites).

Erasure4ever

05-03-2005, 05:29

There's nothing really special about the size. It's thinner than a X5L, but it has 25hr vs 35h. If size was that important then just get the SONY HD5 ;)

X5 (103.7 X 60.8 X 14.3 mm)
YH-J70 (99.8 X 62 X 16.4 mm)
Can you add the X5L to that list please?

X5L (103.7 X 60.8 X 18.3 mm)

Sphax

05-03-2005, 05:39

Hey, you seem to forget the fact that the X5 has a 4mm hump so the REAL sizes to be honest are :

X5 : 18.3mm
X5L : 22.3mm

I hate cheaters ... ;)

Given those sizes, i will consider the samsung before bying an X5.

Fido

05-03-2005, 05:48

It's not fair to say that it's flat out 18mm either, having a hump is better than having it 18mm throughout. Even though the thickest part is 18mm it would feel like less because it has a thin part. The volume is the same as the samsung, I think that's the most important part.

Sphax

05-03-2005, 06:02

I can't agree, when it's in your pocket, it's the thickest part that you will feel. How can you seriously say that it's the volume that matters, so something 5mm in the bottom and 4cm in the top is ok for you ?? :)

By the way, if the batterie life of the samsung is really 25hours, i think it compares best to the X5L and not the X5, so it's 18-22mm against 17mm ...

Fido

05-03-2005, 06:43

But the thickest part is not as large as the full player. So it feels thick in half the player not the entire thing, that does makes a difference.
And 25 hours is actually very good for the size, but they don't really have a good track record so I wouldn't want to risk it.

bradavon

05-03-2005, 08:18

Thanks guys.

As the X5L looks gorgeous and is roughly the same size as a iRiver H3xx I'll be happy with it. The Samsung is smaller but otherwise looks far inferior. That's not even to risk it IMO.

Erasure4ever

05-03-2005, 08:23

I can't believe some people are actually splitting hairs as if the Samsung will magically win because it 's slightly smaller. The Samsung needs a lot more than size to beat the X5/X5L LOL.

Sphax

05-03-2005, 08:24

Fido : Well, since none of those players is released in my country (france) , neither in Europe or US, there is no risk at all ;). But if the samsung and X5 are available at the same time, i'll wait for a complete review of both before choosing, and if the sound of the samsung is great, well...

Erasure4ever : of course the size is not the most important part to choose between 2 players, that's why i'll wait for reviews. I just pointed that the X5 has a 4mm hump and it's not honest to forget it when you compare its size with an other player's size. And beside size, the samsung seems to have all it needs to compete against the X5 ;)

foreigngadgetlove

05-03-2005, 08:57

And beside size, the samsung seems to have all it needs to compete against the X5 ;)

I'll admit the Samsung looks decent, but it doesn't look anywhere near as solid as the X5. Plastic vs. Metal...there's no comparison. And look, Cowon already released firmware upgrade for the X5. There are some companies (*cough* iRiver *cough*) that can't be trusted when it comes to support (let's not even get started on Creative).

As far as features are concerned, the Samsung looks to be competitive with the X5. But if you're interested in overall product quality and company quality, there's only one clear choice. :)

bradavon

05-03-2005, 14:14

Fido : Well, since none of those players is released in my country (france) , neither in Europe or US
The last time I checked France was in Europe? And there was me thinking Britain is the only anti-European country (not me but generalising) :D

And beside size, the samsung seems to have all it needs to compete against the X5 ;)
Except it's butt ugly and doesn't have a proven track record on sound or feature set. It may look good on paper but are all these features well implemented?

I'm not convinced but yes you're right I'll reading reviews first.

Sphax

05-03-2005, 15:27

foreigngadgetlove : yes, we only know the samsung on paper, lets wait for a review to judge it

bradavon : lol of course what i wanted to say is : neither in the REST of Europe. By the way here in France we are going soon to vote for (or against) the european constitution, we'll see if France is still pro-european or anti-european ;)...

bradavon

05-03-2005, 15:38

bradavon : lol of course what i wanted to say is : neither in the REST of Europe. By the way here in France we are going soon to vote for (or against) the european constitution, we'll see if France is still pro-european or anti-european ;)...
LOL true. I believe you guys are first.

Tony Blair has said we will also get a chance to vote but:

A: He may not be in power by then, our general elections are on Thursday (Bush vs. Kerry pah :D )
B: Does it matter if you guys say NO? In reality NOPE! (i.e - Why bother letting us vote? It won't mean nothing).

I'm possibly for it but would like to know what it would "really" entail first. I'd say France is Pro-Europe (way more than Britain from what I can gather anyway) but maybe not Pro the constitution.

Back on topic . . .

Fido

05-03-2005, 17:20

Maybe you guys should make a politics topic in the off topic forum, in case you guys want to talk about it more.

bradavon

05-03-2005, 17:46

Like I said Fido:

Back on topic . . .

I see no harm in going a little off topic as long as it goes back on topic.

Phil K

05-04-2005, 08:02

As my friends girlfriend couldnt get stuff on her Samsung player because you had to go ONLINE to do it through ******* Napster - who tried to get your credit card details before it would let you put songs on the sodding thing !
Nope - while I got stuff on it for her, I wouldnt touch a Samsung with a bloody bargepole because of the Napster link.

(Just thought I'd get straight back ON topic - I'm sick to death of our election here in the UK anyway !)

bradavon

05-04-2005, 14:57

As said before that's no longer the case. This model supports drag and drop folder support.

I agree that's sound crap though.

Ublis

05-04-2005, 21:41

I own a Samsung flash player which does Ogg and DnD (no Napster whatever in sight). They did deliver it with some ugly Yepp Studio or whatever, but I just ignore it.

I also disagree with Fido's comment about player size: size should be measured on the largest bits. It's an 18 mm player with an indented part. In fact, I rather dislike the fact that it's not flat; I'd prefer 16 flat to 18/14 non-flat, even if the volume would be slightly larger. (IOW, M3-style design :)).

Archae

05-04-2005, 22:29

I came very close to buying one of the flash based YEPP players before I went and got my M3L. They are a serious contender in terms of features, although reviews are sparse, they seemed good.

This particular product I dont know about, and I haven't owned any YEPP line products. All I'm saying is thay do compete feature wise, and they dont get horrible reviews. I'm interested in hearing how they stack up.

Also with some humor, isnt samsung a korean company too?

Do Koreans just own like that?

Archae

05-04-2005, 22:30

PS: The X5 Looks better than any other player on the market, hands down. It's just sexy. Period.

Don't forget to factor in support, Firmware, and features like audio quality and gapless playback.

We don't yet know if the YEPP supports any kind of gapless playback, or if its firmware is any good. In the past samsung has not been very good about firmware updates.

We DO know that Cowon's customer support is top notch. I just got on the phone with them for 5 minutes and had replacement headphones for my M3L shipped to me without any complaint.

As for Samsung's support I don't know. Any comments on that?

mintcheerios

05-05-2005, 04:03

Samsung is actually known to have decent support when it comes to product replacement etc (from what I've heard), but Cowon is still king when it comes to firmware updates. Flac level 8 here I come.

Phil K

05-05-2005, 06:37

As said before that's no longer the case. This model supports drag and drop folder support.

I agree that's sound crap though.
It must have slipped past me ! Good to hear they've dumped those Napster pirates though. But why they went with them in the first place doesnt say much for Samsung.
Must admit though, with the apparent inclusion of cradle and remote, its looking more tasty than I had thought. With iAudio stripping everything out and still charging too much (allegedly) for it - 7dayshop are selling ipod photo 60gb for £269 for example - if Samsung can tell me this does bookmarks, then all of a sudden this replaces the 30gb X5L in a possible purchase for me.....

bradavon

05-05-2005, 10:14

Bookmarks?

It may also still support Napster I don't know but don't care also.

Krishna

05-05-2005, 17:13

Did anyone notice that the now playing screen doesn't even include the Artist, Album, Genre info? Or atleast the Root Folder info? Now that is disappointing. Atleast the X5 allows for ID3 tag info to be displayed in the now playing screen.

Aewon

05-05-2005, 23:33

Yes, Samsung is a Korean company.

X5/L also has USB Host.

It's plain ugly.

Sativa

05-12-2005, 14:00

I don't have time to read through 70 posts, but if it doesn't have analog then its no use to me. I was very motivated to back up my 100s of records and casettes. Its cool to sample lines and beats from vhs too.
Just something to think about...

bradavon

05-12-2005, 18:39

It has "line in" yes.

4phun

05-14-2005, 16:51

The fact that Samsung is found in every major computer chain like Best Buys and Circut City makes this one a slam dunk compared to the X5 which is found no where in the US except online.

bradavon

05-14-2005, 17:08

Why does that matter???

sexyleb

05-14-2005, 21:47

lol agreed, if more people stock it it MUST be better.

i think bakeries are now stocking the ipod, it is everywhere. That sure as hell doesn't make it better.

bradavon

05-15-2005, 05:41

Do you get an Apple Danish thrown in for good measure? :D

IronMonkey

05-15-2005, 18:51

(Didn't read any posts except the first, correct me if needed, or tell me if q has been answered).

This definately kills the iPod, I never even liked the pod, would never get it.

Where can I see purchasing details for this Samsung player?? Looks awesome.

bradavon

05-15-2005, 18:57

I have to ask IM did you use to post at? :

http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/forums/

IronMonkey

05-16-2005, 04:18

Nope, heh, another one there with my name? =)

bradavon

05-16-2005, 09:21

Yep. I've not heard from him for months.

jokerman

06-17-2005, 06:13

Hello, I am from Spain, and I am very very interested in this player. Well, my doubts is about sound quality, do you think it will be like iAudio X5? better? worst?
I have found out some reviews, in korean, you can use a translator, but they don't work very good:

http://www.minivian.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=photo_info&no=289 maybe it is posted already, but what I find interesting is the six pink bars, the fourth bar means "sound quality" (You can use http://babel.altavista.com/tr for example), and it is rated as "top" (babel again). Lower there is an iRiver T10 ¿? and it is rated as top too.

Another reviews:

http://www.mpmate.com/sbuilder/bbs/hw/hw.jsp?id=Preview&mode=view&action=view&hwNo=30

http://www.mpnavi.com/bbs/view.php?id=product_preview&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&&no=11

http://www.yepp.co.kr/column/ex/050509/yeppmania_J70.htm?SMSESSION=$SM$7THJP2RDY4AiOl5h3f 376Ez66n1hOmayMOUsUDR3PMPACn5PjGroDNBXzWqbjCMwACg3 v3OhaZ033u9vz38JdInnhPNJ6yT%2fc1tnfYv06MkJedDRee7P bGFzMCY0FnOWRWtF%2f4Nz5aRcXeNaZcxQYexB3aKv0r9T1BhU 5UZFO8g4zL7Y7xF%2f%2f0bG1p7nKtB%2b6%2bFjuRjcTj0fFA qbi7Y1J0C8cw9bd0YE10G0hAYgz4YCDahQ6Ni%2bu6RJ74OYha %2bpMxO14tG%2bGcTN96lYdirPFBNIxQHcdSUbI1SDedueXtO8 jhfEygWUKQ%3d%3d (what a link!)

Some pics:

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/9996/mj33mpnavisamsungmusicyhj70pre1.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img239.echo.cx/img239/1717/mj33mpnavisamsungmusicyhj70pre.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

bye

(yes it the same post that dapreviews)...

luuk

06-17-2005, 07:06

jee, it looks pretty big (probably isn't any bigger then the x5 or iPod). I don't like the looks, but I think it's gonna be a great mp3player.

eddycha

06-17-2005, 07:25

i dunno. the looks are starting to grow on me a little. and the navigation doest seem to bad, tho id prefer it to be different. tho the size is amazing, and battery, if the sound quality is good, id get it over the x5.

i almost bought an nw-hd5 today, because it is amazing, but realised, though i dont NEED fm radio and video playback, i would like it. so im gona wait till a) i see an x5 in a shop and love it or b) samsung comes out in europe and it gets good reviews or c) toshiba gigabeat supports video playback.

bradavon

06-17-2005, 08:46

Doesn't this support ID3 Tags?

Kiganshee

06-17-2005, 18:59

The fact that the samsung will be available in mass-market stores in ths US means that people will be able to go in, see it, use the interface a little bit, and in general see if they like it before they buy it. It takes a lot of faith to buy a $350 piece of equipment based on photos and descriptions. While I'm probably going to go with a 30gb X5L, I would still be much more at ease if I could walk into best buy and hold it, turn it around, and use the interface.

Thebouns

06-17-2005, 21:16

i think its looks terrible with that thing sticking out on top, its really weird and not really eye pleasing, definantly wont touch the X5 IMO

Dutchie

06-19-2005, 05:43

my x5 looks nicer :)

stargazer

06-19-2005, 11:36

I also don't like that thing on top. For me aesthetic appeal is big and even though this might be a great player I wouldn't want to spend that much money on something if I didn't like how it looks. Kiganshee made a good point - I know I ordered my x5 on faith which was a big leap for me as I prefer to go into a store and have a tangible thing to look at, hold, try out. But I can't say whether my leap of faith was worth it or not yet because I haven't received my x5 *grumble*..

bradavon

06-19-2005, 14:09

The X5 is very nice looking. Much nicer than the I-Poo IMO which I never thought was very attractive, contrary to most people's opinion.

ssjmichael

06-19-2005, 17:52

I bet if Cowon released this Samsung player, most of the people here wouldn't be saying how ugly it is, or complaining about the features. And the other way around, if samsung put out an X5, most of you would say it's ugly and make fun of the hump.

bradavon

06-19-2005, 18:10

I disagree ugly is ugly. To me it looks better than when I first saw it but that hump is ugly.

I don't believe bar sound quality (which they don't have a good track record apparently) no on has complained about the feature set.

luuk

06-19-2005, 18:12

Who, that's nice, you can predict how I react at products.
Let me tell you:
I'm not looking at what brand the player is made off, I par example totally dislike the m3, and iaudio 5.
The samsung player just looks to plastic for me, and the shape is to common and ugly--> don't like how the controls are looking and it looks to big. The x5's hump is what made it attractive, it's different.
I think it's a bit stupid to say that most of us don't care how it looks as long as it's a cowon it's nice and pretty!
I think most of us tell the truth in these forums, and you're the one who's telling lies.
What's your opinion of the looks of this player?
I think you must first do more research in the forums, before posting bullshit!

Luuk

Travu

06-19-2005, 20:20

i think the x5 looks very nice, it has a simple and easy design. the hump doesnt make it ugly at all. it makes it look unique, compared to all these players that look like a pack of cards. its to bad it doesnt come in any other colors.

the ipod looks nice too, its a very simple design theres not much to hate. metal on white with matching grey... i think its becuase of the glass finish to it why it looks so nice to me.

but this samsung ... not a very simple and attractive design. IMO, theres to many humps and curves. the only way i would buy an ugly player is if the firmware was 99% stable, had all the features im lookin for, cheap, and top quality SQ.

although looks dont concern me much since my players always in my pocket, i still like to show off.

BIGtrouble77

06-19-2005, 21:33

Now that I sold my 30gb x5 to my brother (because I would rather the 60gb one) I'm playing the waiting game... This player looks promissing.

The black version looks pretty nice, not sure why people here hate the design so much. A couple of things that i'd need in order to buy this over the x5 are:
FLAC support
bookmarking feature
equally good/better sound quality

The screen looks better, but that's not hugely important as I can play very high quality videos on my treo650 if I ever get the itch to watch one. It does have a lot of annoying buttons, I prefer cowan's minimalist designs. The more buttons, the better the chance you accidentally press one. 10 hours extra battely life is VERY impressive. I really hate the power button on the X5, it really feels like it's doomed to break within a couple years of use.

I'm going to hold out latest mid july so i'll have to see what's available by then. If there's a 60gb X5 i'll probably get that. If I'm stuck with a 30gb player then this samsung one has a shot...

D-jump

06-20-2005, 00:55

Check out digital cube's I-station. It has a much bigger screen.
Pretty much the same specs are the X5. If anything that would be an X5 killer.
IMHO, this Samsung player is butt ugly. I was all hyped up until I saw the pictures of it.....ewwww.

Like some girls (no offence to those in here) they look nice from far....but up close...far from nice....
Peace.

soup440

06-20-2005, 01:55

No flac. Also, is Samsung known for audio quality? The USB OTG 2.0 is really good though, I'm dissappointed that the X5 has only 1.1. Ah well, Its made of that nice metal.

bradavon

06-20-2005, 14:32

I've never thought the I-Poo is all that attractive, dull actually.

The X5 in black is gorgeous. I wouldn't it in any other colour. Black is the best!

Check out digital cube's I-station. It has a much bigger screen.
Pretty much the same specs are the X5. If anything that would be an X5 killer.
Isn't that a PMP? So therefore cannot be compared to the X5 which is a DAP.

D-jump

06-20-2005, 15:50

@Bradavon: You know...I'm not really sure if it is a dedicated PMP. It has GPS capability on one model, so the screen is probably meant for that.
In any case...it is (from the pictures) about the same size as an X5 maybe slightly bigger. But you get a whole lot more.

The one in white looks nice...but reminds me of the ahem(crapod).
Peace.

bradavon

06-20-2005, 15:54

It's the same size. Any reviews? I can find only minor info.

D-jump

06-20-2005, 16:05

Here you go Bradavon
http://joel.burslem.ca/iStation-i2-Review-2.html

Cool...we're online at the same time!
Peace.

ssjmichael

06-20-2005, 16:36

Looks nice. It looks like the type of PMP that Cowon would create if they made one.

bradavon

06-20-2005, 16:54

Thanks D-Jump

That link has the measurements and weight. It's a fairly decent size, a bit on the large size but okay. The width is pretty much the same as the X5L and everything else is a larger but not to bad. Having said that I've drawn it roughly on a piece of paper and held against my X5L it does look to big though.

The weight however is an issue. The X5 is 145g, the X5L is 180G but the iStation i2 is a whopping 245g! That's a lot. I find my X5L fine but I wouldn't want it to be any heavier.

I'm happy with my X5 I wanted a music player first and a video player third!

jokerman

06-30-2005, 07:36

I want to bump this post. I am thinking to get YH-J70 over iaudio X5L. I think it is a real iaudio X5 killer, it has the same, even more features (Gsensor) than X5L and many advantages : no subpack, lighter, smaller, better display ...

Only disadvantages is audio quality, which is unknown still, but I hope it will be good.
The look?, well, looks enough good
The question I make to you is : Why I should't get one ?

rskbug

06-30-2005, 08:29

bradavon

07-01-2005, 01:31

Does this support FLAC?

yotaiji012

07-01-2005, 01:53

i am in korea, that being said from the internet grapevine i hear it kinda sucks...not as good as the x5 but thats what i heard...i see the display model all the time...its not that much bigger than an x5...it does come in cute pastel colors...if i ever get to touch one i will inform you guys what its like

dwc

07-01-2005, 03:51

Does it have built-in Line-out?

jokerman

07-01-2005, 04:04

I think line out is only in the cradle(not an accesory, it is included in the box). But what problem to use headphones out to connect? I have an iriver 350 and IFP 390 and I connect it using headphones out whithout problems, and sound quality is very good.

mr2harvey

07-07-2005, 06:08

Just bought a YH-J70 20GB from digiuk.com, £209 inc delivery. I shall get it next week and let everyone know what I think. It was either this player, the X5 or the Sony HD5, I made my mind up. The spec really is good, looks nice (subjective this anyway), great battery life and all the feature the X5 has that I wanted like USB host, drag and drop etc. I have not been able to read any reviews on the sound Quality as it's too new I guess. Anyway for those who are interested I'll report back.

Cheers

Harvey

makaveli

07-07-2005, 06:33

i cant wait. i have to have a review of the samsung player.
I'm currently looking for some now. found some and in a few minutes will read them. i cant wait for your impressions though.

tridion

07-07-2005, 06:43

mr2harvey - may be worth adding a review to the review section of www.samsunghq.com

bradavon

07-07-2005, 09:08

mr2harvey

07-07-2005, 09:18

Thanks Harvey.

Why did you for the Samsung? Samsung IMO are a very good affordable company. They can be very innovative also.

I went for the X5L and it's really much smaller than people say + the pictures elude to.

Well I have been looking for ages and nearly bought the Sony HD5 until I stumbled across the button cracking problem. I also nearly bought the Iaudio M3 at pixmania, they had it for £144 bought sold out! The X5 was top of my list but could not get one, I wanted a 30gb one at the time. I would have certainly bought one if I could get one when I wanted it, I still think it is a fab player. I have a deadline to get one as I want to have it loaded and be familiar with it before I got on holiday in 4 week s time. The Toshiba gigabeat looks good too but like so many you can't drag and drop. I suppose it was a factor of many things, availablity, price, features (battery life is great), size (not the smallest but it is for it's features). I hope I am happy with it, like the X5 it has just about every feature I want, let's hope the sound quality is as good as the X5. I shall be honest with my review.

audioman09

07-07-2005, 12:53

I honestly think that thing is really ugly compared to the X5, also I'm don't know what the exact deminsions of the screen cuz I haven't read this whole thread (if it is in there) but that screen looks even smaller than the X5! Also I've heard that Samsung always uses really shitty software, is good to see they fixed some of the downfalls of there newest HD player (25 hr battery, games, mp4 etc). But I guess you can't really judge it till it actually comes out.