View Full Version : Generation mp3 announces X7 unveiled in September
globiboulga
07-12-2007, 06:58
Source seems to be Cowon.
Talk about a 40 and 80GB HDD. All pointing to an end of year release.
Can you provide a link to this. If this is true it is great news people have been waiting ages for the x7 to be released/announced. I know i am excited and dont even plan on buying one
Gigatoaster
07-12-2007, 08:46
Link of GenMP3 (http://www.generationmp3.com/index.php/2007/07/12/6777-les-cowon-d2-et-iaudio-7-passent-a-16go-et-ou-est-le-x7)
" X7 will be presented at the IFA (Fair in Berlin) in september. It is believed to have a capacity of 40 or 80GB. The player has been continousely delayed, meanwhile X5 production has stopped few weeks ago".
Stevenbrouwer
07-12-2007, 10:05
I am buying oen!!!!
maxjensen
07-12-2007, 12:06
And a Google translation: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.generationmp3.com%2Fi ndex.php%2F2007%2F07%2F12%2F6777-les-cowon-d2-et-iaudio-7-passent-a-16go-et-ou-est-le-x7&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Rockin_amigo14
07-12-2007, 14:34
i REALLY hope so, though I don't think I'll get my hope too high.
Dead1nside
07-13-2007, 04:08
Is that September in Korea/USA/Europe, which?
GSV3MiaC
07-13-2007, 07:12
That ON SHOW at the fair in Germany in September. Do your own figuring on how that translates to 'review copied shipped out' and then 'volume available in shops'.
I'd continue to guess that you might have one for Xmas. Thanksgiving (USA, not Canadian!) if you are lucky.
zaphanathpaneah
07-13-2007, 09:23
Please remember Cowon's scheduled delays. The x7 won't be released until June of 2008. It is typical Cowon delays. e.g. the Cowon Q5 and A3. so far almost 9 months late.
Its not gonna be that long. I think/hope cowon are ready to ship a few weeks after they release details about the product. I think they have been spending quite a long time on this device so thats its ready when they announce it.
GSV3MiaC
07-13-2007, 11:04
I dunno what you are smoking but I gotta get some ....
I'm sorry to tell you guys, but as far as I know there will be no X7 this year. So just don't get your hopes too high ...
Stevenbrouwer
07-14-2007, 07:22
What info do you have then? That we don´t know.
What info do you have then? That we don´t know.
Well, apart from no X7 ... nothing I can tell you without a Cowon Ninja chopping my head off before I clicked the send button. [toungue]
GSV3MiaC
07-14-2007, 16:20
Korea doesn't have Ninjas, you are quite safe.
So you figure they are NOT going to show it in Germany in Sep, or they are, but will take another 6 months to get the bugs out?
Heck, all I want is an X5L with bigger/more modern disk, and user replaceable battery/ies, and no subpack. They can ship with Rockbox firmware/manual for all I care.
demon_acecat
07-18-2007, 17:22
^I agree. I just want an X5L with a headphone jack that works and a bigger disk. And rockbox :D
Considering the list of items being shown at the IFA :
http://www.virtualmarket.ifa-berlin.de/index.php5?id=39553&highlight=&fid=455&offset=200&count=100&Action=showCompany&bmp=721acf69638a439998ff83e70602d1c1
(with thanks to roscomc)
They dont list any new models being shown only new ones like A3,Q5. Maybe they chose not to list any new products; just the ones which are already in the lime light/production.
zaphanathpaneah
07-26-2007, 14:17
I'm sorry to tell you guys, but as far as I know there will be no X7 this year. So just don't get your hopes too high ...
Don't worry. With COWON we gave up hope years ago. Please expect the X7 to be released in September 08 at the earliest.
homeboy87
07-29-2007, 09:38
Hopefully they will start selling world wide the same month the present it. I hate when companies present new cell phones or DAP and start selling them 3 months later.
That is where Apple are good, they start shipping their products the same day they launch them. A new Zune and iPod is also going to be launched the coming months, since I have very little patience when it comes to holding on to my money I will most likely buy the first ones which comes out satisfying specs.
I'm eager to try out an iAudio product and hope that the X7 reach stores here in Sweden by the end of September.
I'm sorry to tell you guys, but as far as I know there will be no X7 this year. So just don't get your hopes too high ...
Read the quoted post above
zaphanathpaneah
07-30-2007, 13:38
iAudio product have more features than iPod and Zune out of the box. Read below the lines......no $$ to buy add ons for radio or mic to record or ....anything else. iPod is crap, it's a given. Don't believe me waste your money and buy one and see for yourself. Zune has some innovate features but.....like the iPod also lacks features like line in mp3 encoding, voice recording, fm recording, touch screen (Cowon D2) and long battery life. Still don't believe me, scour the web and search for "Zune features wish list". Ipod is cool "looking" and it is target at people that are primarily influenced by aesthetics or superficial features. There is a term for that...i forgot what it was called.........damn...wish my vocabulary was better.......oh yeah shallow. You are here and thus we can assume that you and everyone on this forum is not shallow idiots and value more that a pretty face. If the Zune feature set changes then a zune would be a good choice. If the new iPod has, at the minimum an FM radio, FM recording, Voice recording, supports for ogg, mp3, wma, mpeg (all), divx, large touch screen, jpg and bmp support, SDHC expansion, and.............flash sizes above 8gb (16gb +), then you should get an ipod. hell, if it came with those features, i'll buy an ipod.
homeboy87
07-30-2007, 16:08
Yes iAudio products do pack more features than the outfit. It's not a matter of "the device with most feature is the best". Here is my opinion regarding the features you have mentioned:
Radio: Very nice feature, I used it when I was in africa 4 years ago with my 128mb. I barely ever used the feature when I was here in Sweden due to the fact that reception shifts a lot but mostly because I don't like the music played on radio.
The main reason for buying a DAP is to be able to select what YOU what to listen to. When you have that possibilty you will unlikely want to listen to radio which is the case with the majority of DAP owner.
Radio is dying and was mostly popular 5-20 years ago when people didn't have the possibilty to download songs from the net. The iPod nano and G5.5 does actually come with a radio for an extra cost of 49 dollars though, for those who really want it. I for one don't even know any young people who even listen to radio in their homes. Too many infomercials and too little of your favorite songs.
Voice recording: I'm not even going to comment that much on this feature since almost nobody have any use of it.
Ogg support: I love OGG and find the format to be superior to MP3 and WMA and I would love Apple to support OGG.
My biggest wish is that the iPods come with a better amplifier, because the current one sucks. Very few head phones work well at all with the iPod and offer barely any bass at all. That means that you have to be really careful when buying and iPod if you want to have satisfying bas. I use Shure e2c which work fine with my previous iPod.
My main point is that it not a matter of developing a DAP with most feature, but a DAP which offer features which the consumers value and need.
Radio: Very nice feature, I used it when I was in africa 4 years ago with my 128mb. I barely ever used the feature when I was here in Sweden due to the fact that reception shifts a lot but mostly because I don't like the music played on radio.
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Radio is dying and was mostly popular 5-20 years ago when people didn't have the possibilty to download songs from the net. The iPod nano and G5.5 does actually come with a radio for an extra cost of 49 dollars though, for those who really want it. I for one don't even know any young people who even listen to radio in their homes. Too many infomercials and too little of your favorite songs.
No offense but Sweden is not the entire world of radio, as you already know since you found satisfactory radio listening in Africa. But having been to Sweden, I will agree that radio there is terrible.
But here in the United States radio is essential for sports and news/talk fans and still popular with those who primarily listen to music.
You may not know many young people in Sweden who listen to radio but here there are young people running radio stations at every large university and several smaller colleges as well. These college-run stations are accessible to anyone with a radio and are very popular. Non-university connected independent radio stations are also quite popular, have fewer commercials and do not play the same songs over and over.
The radio accessory for iPods is quite popular here so any DAP that already includes radio definitely has a market.
Voice recording: I'm not even going to comment that much on this feature since almost nobody have any use of it.
Another feature that gets extensive use here, by university students to record lectures as well as in business to record meetings and interviews.
Ogg support: I love OGG and find the format to be superior to MP3 and WMA and I would love Apple to support OGG.
Don't count on Apple supporting .ogg, ever. They are too busy pushing their own proprietary format through the iTunes store.
In addition to the increased revenue they get through selling tracks through the iTunes store, there's also increased revenue from repeat customers who buy another iPod (when the first one dies) to play all those iTunes tracks they already purchased. Besides, .ogg is a little-used format and one with which the majority of iPod owners are unfamiliar. THere's also the matter of how .ogg negatively affects battery life, iPods already are not known for having the best battery life.
zaphanathpaneah
07-31-2007, 10:04
Agreed!! Radio...GREAT!! I listen to talk radio, news, and music. The radio is still widely used. I have lots of mp3 that i listen to over and over and over and over again. I listen to the radio to hear what's new. I am not always in front of the TV or internet. Perhaps you guys spend 18hrs a day playing on you PC's but hey.....I have a life.
I record voice ALL the time. I have corporate meetings with clients and and legal aids. Any person conducting business with out a voice recorder is stupid. Rather than buy a dedicated voice recorder I use my mp3 player to record. I also record public discourse. Remember there is a wide array of consumers with varying needs for their devices. Because you don't use a feature does not mean others don't. Sony STILL sells voice recorders...why? No they don't have too much money or neither are they bored. There is a large enough market for it.
As for formats (like ogg) some use it others don't. Some people like a feature rich device others like the bare essentials. It is interesting though that someone would like the bare essentials. People buy cars that do 150 mph yet seldom do. People buy stereo that does so much stuff that they don't need.
So it is about the device with the most features else apple and others wont advertise all the features they offer. They would simple say...mp3 player for sale. Also remember ..size is a feature, shape, colour, sexiness. All the things apple promotes about their toilet mp3 players. So people are shallow enough to fall for those features.
fabarati
07-31-2007, 16:10
Young person in sweden here! I don't listen to commercial radios, cause they're crap. SR P3 is a much better channel, especially the themed music programs (P3 soul, P3 Hiphop, P3 POP). Then there's the talk programs as well, like Christer and whatnot.
I use the voice recording for writing music. It's pretty good microphone, even it it is mono. I suck at writing out the correct tempo of the notes when i write a song, so i just record it, and play from listening instead.
Arachnophilia
07-31-2007, 22:33
Agreed!! Radio...GREAT!! I listen to talk radio, news, and music. The radio is still widely used. I have lots of mp3 that i listen to over and over and over and over again. I listen to the radio to hear what's new.
yeah, don't knock the radio. most commercial stations blow, but they are good for occasionally hearing new stuff. and i especially listen to NPR alot. good source of news and informative shows.
zaphanathpaneah
08-01-2007, 11:29
I saw someone on the train this morning with their Apple iPhone. Looks very pretty. But large. It would not be a bad idea for Cowon to include a wider screen on the x7.
I am one of those who's here only the sound.
I must say that the only weakness that iPod has -- ie. the low sound quality -- is about to be overcome.
People have figured out how to bypass the Apple's poor amplification circuits and get a pure line-out signal out of it. It then has to be attached to a proper amplifier. All comparisons so far indicate that the sound quality of this setup blows the socks off other players, including Cowon X5 and D2. Plus you get the ability to use proper headphones.
In the car, the car's amplifier takes over -- again with excellent results.
There has been quite a pause in Cowon's new offerings. The rumors that slowly leak out all indicate the additions of new quizmo's but no word on the improvements in quality. Plus the damn things are just not appearing. The more I wait the more I am inclined to go the iPod route.
AussiePie
08-02-2007, 04:56
People have figured out how to bypass the Apple's poor amplification circuits and get a pure line-out signal out of it. It then has to be attached to a proper amplifier. All comparisons so far indicate that the sound quality of this setup blows the socks off other players, including Cowon X5 and D2. Plus you get the ability to use proper headphones.
I assume you mean the iMod which could also be done to different degrees with various players on the market (if people are inclined to invest in the time, development and DIY skills that it would require to do these mods).
Rockin_amigo14
08-02-2007, 14:01
the thing about using the iPod lineout is you need a decent amp for the good sound, which means sacrificing at least another $200 plus the portability that is offered by good headphone-out quality. personally, i'd rather not have to carry around an amp + a dap for good sound quality.
dvsche73
08-02-2007, 22:20
Really? That is the ONLY weakness an ipod has? Just one?
the thing about using the iPod lineout is you need a decent amp for the good sound, which means sacrificing at least another $200 plus the portability that is offered by good headphone-out quality. personally, i'd rather not have to carry around an amp + a dap for good sound quality.
That's the thing -- I do not carry it around. It just sits on my desk. It is also for these reasons that I do not care about the battery life. The only other use will be in a car, which has its own amplifier.
The $200 for the mod + $200-400 for the amp is indeed a hit, and Cowon may win on this.
Hey guys...not to sound rude here, but hasn't this thread gone a little off topic? The title of this thread is: Generation mp3 announces X7 unveiled in September. I check this site at least 3 times a week hoping for more news or comfirmation on this player and was looking foward to some new news based on all the new posts. Sadly what I found was another ipod vs. the world post war...
KromaXamorK
08-09-2007, 16:20
http://forum.generationmp3.com/index.php?act=ST&f=114&t=55137&st=0#entry480201
Not official design for the moment, waiting more info.
Dead1nside
08-09-2007, 20:35
Thanks for the link KromaXamork. Even if that's a concept design, it looks nice to me. I'm glad they're emphasising the screen.
GSV3MiaC
08-10-2007, 15:29
I'm not
- if you want a video player with a big screen go buy an A2, A3 L2, Q5, whatever. Lots of choice. What we don't have is a 'work it in your pocket, 40+GB, 24+ Hrs of battery life, MUSIC player).
Arachnophilia
08-10-2007, 20:36
I'm not
- if you want a video player with a big screen go buy an A2, A3 L2, Q5, whatever. Lots of choice. What we don't have is a 'work it in your pocket, 40+GB, 24+ Hrs of battery life, MUSIC player).
sort of agreed, here. people who are looking for an x7 aren't looking for an a2/3, or q5, big fancy screen and all. they're looking for a little metal tank that'll hold their music.
that said, i don't know if this design would be a bad one. or if it's even real (rather skeptical at this point).
Dead1nside
08-11-2007, 23:42
No, but it should have a 3'' screen at least, or slightly larger. It should have better video capabilities than the X5 at present. I doubt that is the X7 design myself.
Arachnophilia
08-12-2007, 01:11
No, but it should have a 3'' screen at least, or slightly larger. It should have better video capabilities than the X5 at present.
see, i don't actually care about that. if i wanted a video player, i'd buy a video player. i want a music player -- the screen is irrelevent, so long as it gets the information across. and personally, i use the remote anyways. and yes, if the m3 had been available, i would have bought that one.
now, it probably will have a screen that's better than the current one. but really, video should not be a priority -- it's a gimmick feature at best. it's a music device first, everything else second.
homeboy87
08-12-2007, 08:51
see, i don't actually care about that. if i wanted a video player, i'd buy a video player. i want a music player -- the screen is irrelevent, so long as it gets the information across. and personally, i use the remote anyways. and yes, if the m3 had been available, i would have bought that one.
now, it probably will have a screen that's better than the current one. but really, video should not be a priority -- it's a gimmick feature at best. it's a music device first, everything else second.
You're right. Music is priority number one but video playback is supported by the majority of new DAPs and will be pretty much standard in the coming months. Also, video playback doesn't affect music playback in any way.
Personally I embrace video playback. Yesterday I played with my friend's Creative Vision M which has a 2.5 inch screen and supports video playback. What's fantastic about that DAP is that you can play Divx and Xvid videos without having to convert them, and I think that Apple, Creative and Cowon should follow.
I would love the ability to watch an episode of family guy while sitting on a bus, in an airport terminal, at school waiting for the next lecture or in any other situation where I sitting all alone bored.
Before you advise me to buy a PMP I don 't want one since they are too heavy and too big to carry around for guy who has music a a number one priority.
Arachnophilia
08-12-2007, 15:49
Before you advise me to buy a PMP I don 't want one since they are too heavy and too big to carry around for guy who has music a a number one priority.
well, yeah. a little bit of video capability is ok. and if they're gonna do it, it should be better than what we've got now. i just don't want something that for all intents and purposes is a PMP.
homeboy87
08-12-2007, 16:55
well, yeah. a little bit of video capability is ok. and if they're gonna do it, it should be better than what we've got now. i just don't want something that for all intents and purposes is a PMP.
I hope that video support will just like what Creative offer in their DAPs, syncing Divx and Xvid videos without having to convert them. What signifies a PMP is a big screen, i.e 5-7 inches and the X7 will most likely not have such a big screen in order not to cannibalize sales or confuse customers.
globiboulga
08-12-2007, 18:22
Bottom line: We all are going to be extremely surprised.
Dead1nside
08-12-2007, 20:44
well, yeah. a little bit of video capability is ok. and if they're gonna do it, it should be better than what we've got now. i just don't want something that for all intents and purposes is a PMP.
Haha, so you don't contest anything that I've been saying at all. Of course the X7 should above all be a DAP. But in order to be competitive it needs a 2.5''-3'' screen I think. I don't want it to be touch screen personally. Battery life needs to be very good, and hopefully replaceable.
I would _love_ to not be able to convert XviD/DivX videos, that would be excellent.
I'm in between markets with the A3 and X7, as I want to have a very large audio library but also be able to play the odd video without conversion at a decent quality. The A3/A2 is a lot larger and has small capacity so it just doesn't fit my needs. As long as they put in a suffeciently powerful processor the no-conversion can be achieved, but they really need to get this to the market now. There simply are no competitors for great audio quality in a DAP anymore.
EDIT: In my opinion it needs to have a model that's 80-100GB, as my music library is just getting way too large.
zaphanathpaneah
08-15-2007, 12:57
Yeah we need this now but.....you know what really grinds my gears? Why....and I mean why the $#@&* must apple be the only company attempting to reinvent our entertainment? Don't get me wrong I hate apple more than the next guy but...you have to give it to apple...their interface (touch wheel on the original ipod and new iPhone) is unmatched. There is none better( up for debate I know). The iPhone interface is very cool and what it is very fast though 8gb is pathetic. I say all this to say one thing. The X7 should be very different. The x5 was a slight upgrade to the M3. All Cowon's players are ......great but still lack innovation. The D2 was a step away from the norm for Cowon and they need to keep going in that direction. Make it different than anything iRiver, Archos, samsung or any other can ever think up. The X7 shoould give us the ....wow or cool factor.
am i the only one that doesn't like that scroll whell? its no more easier than pushing a button with a ^ arrow on it. i think its actually harder on the nano because they're is not enough width
Arachnophilia
08-19-2007, 12:56
am i the only one that doesn't like that scroll whell? its no more easier than pushing a button with a ^ arrow on it. i think its actually harder on the nano because they're is not enough width
http://www.corp.att.com/history/images/milestone_1919.jpg
zaphanathpaneah
08-20-2007, 17:18
http://www.corp.att.com/history/images/milestone_1919.jpg
I love that old phone. Boy I wish they would bring that back. Also A-Track. They should bring back A-Tracks for cars and the Vacum tube dual channel stereo. Hey ...does anyone know where I can buy a Ford Model T on the cheap? Hey....:-) just have a little fun.
Arachnophilia
08-20-2007, 23:23
I love that old phone. Boy I wish they would bring that back. Also A-Track. They should bring back A-Tracks for cars and the Vacum tube dual channel stereo. Hey ...does anyone know where I can buy a Ford Model T on the cheap? Hey....:-) just have a little fun.
just a visual association i make. i actually grew up with a rotary phone (not one like that!) in my house, as my parents had apparently been RENTING it from bell since the mid-70's. ...i'll take buttons any day.
and actually, your post probably doesn't come as sarcastic as you meant it. iirc, 8-track tapes are actually superior to cassettes. and i KNOW a lot of people swear by tube-amps.
zaphanathpaneah
08-21-2007, 10:04
Dude!! Tube amps are cleaner sounds than transister. It is only the size that prevents them from gaining the amps most of us are used to. I WISH I COULD AFFORD A REALLY GOOD TUBE AMP. You are talking $12 - $24,000. I still have a rotary phone. Not like that but you know....the regular one. It is uncase the power goes and my cordless phone looses power. Rock on dudes.
Z
Right...this can get back on-topic now, please....
homeboy87
08-30-2007, 03:20
Both Apple and Creative will be presenting new products during the IFA convention, which starts tomorrow. Do you think that there is still hope of an X7 being unleashed by Cowon or is it confirmed that we won't see an X7 in September?
zaphanathpaneah
08-30-2007, 10:50
Can you provide a source?
homeboy87
08-30-2007, 19:04
Can you provide a source?
+1
I really need to know because I don't think I can wait any longer than September. I'll most likely end up buying the best DAP I can get my hands on in the coming weeks.
+1
I really need to know because I don't think I can wait any longer than September. I'll most likely end up buying the best DAP I can get my hands on in the coming weeks.
I read a week or so ago that it wont even be presented until Q1 of 08. I thought the same as you but will not spent almost $200.00 just to settle. So in the mean time I just picked up a Sony DNF430 MP3 Walkman Portable Compact Disc Player. It has AM/FM/TV/Weather and lasts 50 hours on 1 AA. All for 30 bucks! Can't beat that to hold me over!
emperorjvl
08-31-2007, 21:34
As for me.. I'm still happy with my X5L!! I'm just so curious ow the design is going to turn out!! Besides... the 2008 Toyota Avalon is out (which is the car I'm going to buy)... and I'd like a new X7L to go with it!!!
New liiiiiiiife!!!! in place of.. old liiiife!!!
zaphanathpaneah
09-01-2007, 14:43
+1
I really need to know because I don't think I can wait any longer than September. I'll most likely end up buying the best DAP I can get my hands on in the coming weeks.
DONT BUY IPOD!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
hes gonna if we wants too
hey, realsticly, thats what it boils down to for some people, all because apple kept their products in longer and cowon being stupid NOT to contuiue a secessor to the seires- much like ipod has done
All right crew, what did Apple unveiled? Actually, it is the same ipod with 16gb flash and a touch screen instead of stupid wheel. Gosh! Cowon already did the 16gigs in i7! On top of that, they still resist to implement ogg/flac support(of course, now only nerds know how to get music without itunes :)). Thank you, Cowon, at least now I have an i7 alternative.
homeboy87
09-08-2007, 21:16
On top of that, they still resist to implement ogg/flac support
The reason they don't support OGG is because they want more people to use AAC. I did a blind test once and both format beat WMA and MP3 by far. As for a head to head battle they offer more or less the same clarity except that OGG is a bit more superior when it comes to space.
Too bad they don't want to support DIVX and XVID. I guess they want to keep the film studios happy.
I'm not a apple consumer, but don't you think Cowon and other MP3 companies will need to do something to keep up with apple's WiFi internet browser in the iTouch?
Absolutely, I'm still waiting for large capacity dap + Wi-Fi + Internet with Cowon's audio quality, battery life, codecs, etc. I mean, the new Ipod has a 40h battery life, but I wonder how long will it last?
i really dont want the x7 to be a touch interface, the cowon d2 does that already
zaphanathpaneah
09-10-2007, 07:49
No X7....does not exist. at least not this year. Rumor has it by november of next year.
:-(
globiboulga
09-10-2007, 08:33
Where do you got that information about November 2008? More than a year of design for a product that would be the continuous of an existing line is just crazy, and I am not even talking about what happens elsewhere within a year... By that time the X7 will probably be obsolete anyway.
I am really interested about the source. This will help me make a decision about whether or not to buy a classic.
What happens to Cowon?
zaphanathpaneah
09-10-2007, 13:17
Dude, I have called Cowon in Korea and THEY said ...."What is X7? We don't sell it. I don't know what that is." Which would mean.......no X7. But.....Cowon may not abandun the x7 permanatly. Maybe....maybe in November of 2008. No credible source ...just word on the street. Local forum here .....or there.
I'm not disagreeing with you but if you were only talking to customer services then I'd take what ever they say with a pinch of salt, esp especially when it comes to cowon, they ain't so great at passing information along
zaphanathpaneah
09-10-2007, 14:02
Yes you are right. I called customer service in US and Korea. Someone on this forum said they went up to a booth at the trade show in Germany and they also said they did not know what that was? I want to believe. I do....heck it it is true i'd get one instead of the A3.
Yep, I'm sticking with my gut feeling that the next "D3" and "X7" will be one and the same. I reported at DAPreview, and here I think, that the official status of the X7 has been pushed back until Q1 of 2008, where it's future development will be reviewed.
I hope that doesn't mean that the D3-X7 hybrid will have between 4 and 60 gigs. Still I think that rockbox will crack the uncrackable new ipod before we see on sale a D3-X7 or whatever that might be.
zaphanathpaneah
09-10-2007, 15:22
unfortunatly...there is no way to please everyone. From the what I have read here some want touch screen some do not. Some want flash some want hdd. Some like it big some like it small. So what the (&*#^((*)^ do we really want here? The next product due out summer of next year is a would be another flash device (surprised?) between 16 and 32gb and another PMP perhaps an update to the A3.
globiboulga
09-10-2007, 17:55
I think that Apple has its product line right, and if you follow their model, mixing a D2 and a X5 would be like merging the Nano and the Classic. This makes no sense, not until flash memory get cheap as dirt in capacity above 60gb, which will not happen for at least 3-4 years (based on the current evolution of memory prices - I mean we're still waiting for 16gb SDHC cards and they will cost a fortune when available in volume - remember that the manufacturer deliberatly don't release them to recup the R&D costs).
So to sum up there is 2 years of life for any HDD player. If Cowon delays the X7 any further it will simply become a non issue as to whether it should be built.
And in the meantime, they will lose me because I am not going to wait until they sort their product line...
I mean, they release 3 flash players (D2, 7 and U5) that are for the same market base and 2 HDD players (A3 and Q5) that are also for the same market base (expensive PMP)... And no X7.
It makes no sense.
zaphanathpaneah
09-10-2007, 18:37
I hear you bro. So...what are we supposed to do.
emperorjvl
09-11-2007, 01:26
I'm not a apple consumer, but don't you think Cowon and other MP3 companies will need to do something to keep up with apple's WiFi internet browser in the iTouch?
No.
Apple is filling everyone's eyes with candy, but the truth is- a Digital Audio Player is not for web browsing. There may be a day (soon, perhaps) when a small, ipod size device will act like a mini laptop- doing everything you can possibly want- and make DAPs and PMPs obsolete. But for AUDIOPHILES, by that I mean people who want a device to listen to music, want a device that plays digital music and does it well. Other people with more needs - just get over it and buy a Vaio or something.
forget the touch I just need something that matches the classic in terms of capacity...
Save me Cowon! Save me from the dark side!
globiboulga
09-11-2007, 20:11
Just slam a 240GB HDD in the X5 and lets get rollin' [biggrin]
zaphanathpaneah
09-11-2007, 20:42
make it small, light 1000 hrs of battery, large touch screen with buttons, support all lossless formats, gapless play, supports xvid, divx and...well all possible video and music formats, has a 480x600 super brite screen and has removable batteries, supports sd up to 100 gb, built in 500gb hdd. Now this would be the perfect PMP. It will probably be the size of a 21 inch monitor but...hey......it's what we want ...right?
you forgot the gps, anti-theft mechanism, full sized keyboard, hd quality screen, voice-recognition, etc
seriously, i'd love the wi-fi feature but just for online radio, don't care much about having a browser, but online radio is awsome, i have a wi-fi phone but the sound quality is horrible and i don't want to turn my computer on just to listen to the radio
globiboulga
09-12-2007, 01:45
Except Toshiba just anounced a 240GB HDD (see generationmp3.com)...
[thumbsup]
zaphanathpaneah
09-12-2007, 06:46
Too small...you need at least one terabyte to make this a true PMP. Anyting less is just retarded. :-)
zaphanathpaneah
09-12-2007, 06:47
you forgot the gps, anti-theft mechanism, full sized keyboard, hd quality screen, voice-recognition, etc
seriously, i'd love the wi-fi feature but just for online radio, don't care much about having a browser, but online radio is awsome, i have a wi-fi phone but the sound quality is horrible and i don't want to turn my computer on just to listen to the radio
Yeaaaah.....dude. That's what i'm talking about. Lets just cram this thing full of every possible feature under the sun. That's is what it seems everybody wants.....right?
upsidedown83
09-12-2007, 07:53
Except Toshiba just anounced a 240GB HDD (see generationmp3.com)...
[thumbsup]
The way I'm reading the Engadget article on this subject implies that we'll be waiting until 2009 for this product. Although, in the middle of 2006 the largest 2.5" HDD was 160GB & now (mid-2007) we're up to 250GB. So if the 1.8" drives keep moving at the (almost exponential) same pace as the 2.5"ers I think it is possible that we'll see them released sometime before X-mas 2008...
upsidedown83
09-12-2007, 08:02
Yeaaaah.....dude. That's what i'm talking about. Lets just cram this thing full of every possible feature under the sun. That's is what it seems everybody wants.....right?
Dude... STFU! Seriously. Of course not everyone here agrees on every single friggin' feature that the X7 should have, but there does happen to be consensus on the most important features:
We want: a player that competes with the ipXd Classic in capacity & battery life (like the X5 did v. the ipXd video), high SQ (a staple Cowon feature), multipule codec support (a staple Cowon feature), EQ (a staple Cowon feature), & a robust case (a staple Cowon-X5 feature). Basically an upgraded X5... the only "debate" is over some features that may be added to it. You are really blowing this issue out of proportion & IMO your posts border on trolling as they add nothing constructive to the discussion.
zaphanathpaneah
09-12-2007, 09:43
Finally...a toilet mouth to adds some abusive speech to this forum. And Doniago thinks I am too forceful. Continue....no ones listening.
Anyway back on topic now. It is September......so lets see what Cowon does.
Folks, knock off the personal attacks _now_.
This is a WARNING, meaning the next time I see flames (and Zap your tone _has_ been more aggressive than it needed to be lately) there's a really good chance that disciplinary action will result.
If you can't talk to each other respectfully, don't talk to each other at all.
upsidedown83
09-12-2007, 16:25
Finally...a toilet mouth to adds some abusive speech to this forum. And Doniago thinks I am too forceful. Continue....no ones listening.
Anyway back on topic now. It is September......so lets see what Cowon does.
See, this is the attitude that you have that I like. But you seem to bouce from one position to another. What I don't agree with is the position (feeling I get from some of your posts) that there absolutely won't be an X7. It's no different an extreme view as those who don't doubt at all that there will be an X5 successor. I owned a Camaro from 2000-2004 and watched the forums have the same debates we're having here about whether or not a new generation will ever see the sun. Well, after a long wait GM decided to release the new generation. We might be waiting a while on Cowon which is why I think the "so lets see what Cowon does" attitude is much more agreeable. I agree with you 100% there, all we can do is wait and see. And in reality... I have no significant brand loyalty to Cowon, & if R&D person anywhere - from any company besides Apple & Microsoft - read these forums and picked up on our major demands and made a competing player, I'd buy it. These forums are our chance to be heard. Before the internet companies had to rely on very shaky information about their fanbase. Now, if they’re smart, they’ll check the forums… where people say what they really believe. I think it gives us a bit of consumer power & a place to network with other like minded people.
On the “STFU” comment, it was in partial jest (regardless of the “seriously” comment, lol)… of course it’s a public forum and you can say whatever you like. But I knew your style & knew you were probably smart enough to be able to take a bit of what you dish out all in good fun. Anyway, take this as my apology to you & the mods that have to spend their precious time policing the unpolicable.
zaphanathpaneah
09-13-2007, 11:15
Ditto...Dude. No harm felt. It's all in fun ...up to a point. And...doniago...I know I am a bit wound up all the times but....I am passionate about things in general including music. (my avatar says it all) Anyway ..... Doniago..I think my most recent post have been respectful and not personal. I have not made it a habit to attack other members and you know that...
Anyway....all is cool...moving on.
:-)
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