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We all love the q5 but look at this for an alternative
Highlights, 12 hour battery life (double battery), integrated Hspda, 4.8 inch screen, windows xp, wifi bluetooth for around us$900 for 30gb model. Options of ssd and 60gb model AND available mid July
http://www.raondigital.com/fnt_english/ev01.asp
thoughts?
It is not much of a competition. It has no useful functions.
* It does not have touchscreen.
* It does not play music simply.
* It has no navigation.
[* It may have very poor music quality, as all PCs out there ]
A $300 Compaq Laptop beats it in every respect -- processing power and convenience. And Compaq costs a lot less!
Cowon Q5 is far more attractive: it is simple and useful for things that it is designed to do:
It plays music (and hopefully it will play it "simply" -- with a few clicks)
It plays video (although I think it's an unnecesary feature).
It has navigation.
Touchscreen is far better than a mouse/awkward keyboard.
Touchscreen can be used in a car.
Hopefully the sound circuits inside will be on par with X5/iPod.
When I need to read email, edit presentations, and such -- I'd much rather use a notebook than gizmos like this.
When I need to listen to something while on the go, nothing beats Q5 so far.
Just my opinion. I am not trying to be objective here.
-- Nick
* It does not have touchscreen.
When I need to read email, edit presentations, and such -- I'd much rather use a notebook than gizmos like this.
When I need to listen to something while on the go, nothing beats Q5 so far.
Just my opinion. I am not trying to be objective here.
-- Nick
It DOES actually have a touchscreen, so if your considering a q5 for music primarily you would be better off paying for a d2 or a hard drive player, than something that can web browse that can just fit in the hand.
I have changed the title to alternative
Sorry, did not see the touchscreen advertised. I found it later in small print on page #3.
Well, with touchscreen it's a bit more usable.
I get a feeling that it's larger than what fits in your pocket.
And once you need a bag to carry the thing around, you might as well carry a proper computer.
Who knows, maybe there is a market for that sort of a computer. I cannot see serious people using a gizmo like this at work. I also cannot imaging any use for it at home. So, what does that leave us? Bus commuters? College students? I think Cowon has much more appeal for those thngs that they intend to do with it.
I get a feeling that it's larger than what fits in your pocket.
And once you need a bag to carry the thing around, you might as well carry a proper computer.
The q5 isnt pocketable either see pic
omjeremy
06-01-2007, 00:08
This device is pretty awesome! If it were cheaper I'd get one.
It's not even that heavy... with the extended battery it's only about a pound.
Could use it as part of a wireless home network - you wanted to check your email while sitting in front of the TV, say. Then without the need to start up your PC you could check it on your Vega/Everun device :P (Yes, I could check it on my mobile phone, but it'd cost a fortune in data charges etc, at least in Australia hehe)
We're seeing larger HDD PMP's like the Q5 converge towards these UMPC's - in Korea they cost about the same anyway. While I think the Q5 is a fabulous device, imo UMPC's will win out and carve out a niche there.
Or I could be wrong. I note with interest that Samsung have released a 64GB CF card. In that case, flash-based devices will be all the rage imo, and HDD-devices will fast become obsolete...
Good thing Cowon's D2 is such a great device :D Off-topic I know, but my next feature request would be to change from an SD slot to a CF slot :)
omjeremy
06-01-2007, 10:33
UMPC's will alway be a niche product, until they can figure out how to include a functional keyboard that compliments it's size. UMPC's strongest detractors are battery life and keyboard functionality, imho. EDIT: it seems that the Raon Everun may have fixed this. Looking at the Engadget article, you can rotate the display, so if you need to edit a document it is possible. See: http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/01/raon-digitals-everun-in-the-wild-starts-at-700/ Awesome!
Speaking about Flash, DaXiuyi, Engadget just had an article about PQI making 2.5" ssd's at 256gb and 512gb. awesome... http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/pqi-debuts-256gb-2-5-inch-ssd-drive/
It's definitely true that HDD-devices will fast become obsolete, once prices drop.
However, SD is much more popular than CF, regardless of capacities. It's rather unlikely that they'll ever have a CF slot!
philadiophile
06-01-2007, 12:37
Eh,
I seen better from the UMPC arena like the OQO's which at least seems close to the size of the A2 & Q5. This thing makes bricks look like lego blocks :\
CharlieSpear
06-01-2007, 12:58
The things that differentiate the Q5 for me are big storage, line-in recording, connectivity and the cool factor. The Raon has 2 out of the 4: it's missing the line-in, and it's also too big and a little on the ugly side to qualify for cool. But I do like the idea of having some computer features in my PMP. If someone could assure me that the Q5 will have even minimal PDA functionality (standalone calendaring, mainly) I would be ready to buy today. I don't want to carry around a PMP AND a calendar, and if I'm going to be spending $600+ I'm going to hold out for the machine that meets all my needs. We're SO close!
PS--I've thought of using the Google calendar via wireless, but I don't want to have to log in every time I make an appointment or check my calendar.
omjeremy
06-01-2007, 13:44
like the OQO
The oqo's do look cool, but the price is at least $500 more. They state up to 3 hours for the regular battery! That is half of what this device is. Of course, they are more powerful.
RE: size, the Everun is an inch longer than the oqo. Height and depth are the same.
btw - the Everun does have a line in.
I do agree with Charlie though... We're so close! In a few years... or less.
The talk on the Archos forums is Umpcs will make pmps drop significantly in price, with "rumours" the 5th Gen Archos players wifi pmps will start from us$200.
It makes sense. You get so much more from a umpc (no Im not Jennifer).
For me I have my d2 for music and was only considering the q5 for movies and on the go browsing, then the Everun came up.
If 1 - 3 hour (and 3 is optimistic) battery life is acceptable, then a UMPC could be just the thing.
Not saying that I won't want one someday... but they are still different class devices. Of course, if everyone wants an Archos 704, then suddenly the UMPC seems small and of reasonable weight. :)
Eventually, your communication appliance which interfaces to your retinal projection imagers will be your device. It will interface (wireless) back to your (or your ISP's) server which can stream music, video, live tv, and handle your internet needs. Until then... regardless of how you go, you'll probably want to use multiple devices since each has its share of strengths and weaknesses.
I've been checking this thread for what seems like ages now. But the more i think about this device compared to a umpc - i really cannot see the point in owning one. A umpc can do everything that the cowon q5 can do right? It plays music, video, is connected to the net, with a big harddrive - it also offers wordprocessing, working on spread sheets - its a hand held computer! ~I can't see where the cowon q5 beats this. Perhaps the q5 beats any generic umpc on battery life - but not by much. I would love to have a reason to pay less and get a cowon q5, but in saying that - the cheaper umpcs are not much more expensive then a cowon q5.
Would somebody tell me why a q5 is better than a umpc please!
Would somebody tell me why a q5 is better than a umpc please!
Sound quality on the q5 will be way better, also booting time, a few hundred dollar difference, but all your other points are valid, cant argue with them.
More points to add for umpcs they have replaceable batteries and having windows xp will be better than windows ce5
eoniverse
06-07-2007, 07:33
Would somebody tell me why a q5 is better than a umpc please!
Everything is relative. What if I don't need a umpc? 'Need' in the sense of I truely will never ever ever use those features like 'Word, Excel, etc' in a portable environment. When you say 'not more expensive' - that's a point of personal budget. Is it within 10% of the cost (because that's the standard that I consider for my budget)? Why should I buy - for several hundred more dollars - features I will never use?
Then there's the reliability issue to consider. Is a poorly constructed umpc (I am def not 'pointing my finger' at any particular brand) worth the value of a higher quality unit like (hopefully but not certain) the q5? Last thing I want is a $800.00 (plus)paperweight.
Now... if a quality umpc were say within 10% of the cost of a q5 with superior features that I would use - then it make's sense to reconsider what to buy. Eventually prices will fall on umpc's but they are not there yet. Frankly the 60GB A3 makes more sense for my needs but who knows when it will arrive and if I can 'catch' a 'sale priced (or promo) 60qb q5 for within 10% of the cost then I'll jump on it. Until then I'll look at competitors for something that meets my needs.
Relativity. Einstien was right.
2eoniverse: UMPC is running Windows ;) That means you'll have many features superior to Q5 that you would use... not just Word, Excel etc...
Web developer - you can code when siting in public transport... and test your code immediately in a full featured browser
Graphic - you can draw sitting in a park - a UMPC ot a TabletPC is better than a normal tablet
etc. etc...
eoniverse
06-07-2007, 12:03
2eoniverse: UMPC is running Windows ;) That means you'll have many features superior to Q5 that you would use... not just Word, Excel etc...
Web developer - you can code when siting in public transport... and test your code immediately in a full featured browser
Graphic - you can draw sitting in a park - a UMPC ot a TabletPC is better than a normal tablet
etc. etc...
Understood. Not disputing feature set. Point is I don't need any of that - so why would I spend several hundred dollars for stuff I don't need or will ever use?
Not disputing a umpc is more functional than a q5 type product. Just that it's function's have no value to me so I'm not going to throw my money away on additional features.
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