View Full Version : X5 Discontinued, X7 to Replace
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tical2k7
05-15-2007, 22:37
Hey cowon, how about doing the A3 first..
I've been waiting to order an X5L, but now I have to decide if I want to pull the trigger for the X5L or wait for the X7. I'm strongly tempted to go ahead and order the X5L anyway, for the obvious reason that it's a known quantity and the bugs have (mostly) been worked out. I'm on a Mac, and I really want drag-and-drop capability--I'm tired of being locked into iTunes. Any thoughts or suggestions?
sillyrabbit
05-15-2007, 23:36
cowon has an attraction to my money. sad face and happy face.
dvsche73
05-15-2007, 23:37
ohmy god, ohmy god, ohmy god
excellent news. it makes me wonder if they have been keeping this a secret for a long time and have atually been testing and implementing the X7 for quite a few months by now.
lets hope this is going to be a real winner like the x5.
dvsche73
05-16-2007, 06:17
If it's not widescreen I am going to be pissed...really...really...pissed.
I also hope it will sync COMPLETLEY with Jet Audio (or MediaMonkey), as in play number, ratings, etc.
That would be Kool and the Gang
EDIT: I have never been this jacked up for a DAP. It is almost like a new Ween album being released.
GSV3MiaC
05-16-2007, 08:44
Why would you care about widescreen on a DAP? (the A stands for Audio, no?).
Actually this looks like a good chance to buy an X5L at a knockdown price, stick Rockbox on it, and live happily ever after. Except I bet the X5L prices won't drop that much (they had already fallen a bit), given its 'classic' status.
Might also be a good time to get those accessories, which were becoming hard to find (remotes, cradles, etc.), unless the X7 is going to use the same ones.
I wonder if they'll fix the non-removable battery, the headphone socket at the side, and the need to have a subpack for charging/USB2.0?? And I wonder how long it'll take to get Rockbox ported to the X7 for gapless playback, and decent firmware support...
Taustin Powers
05-16-2007, 11:20
If they use a subpack again, I'm gonna be really pissed. That and the (increasingly) weak battery were my only complaints.
wow i will buy this.... too my father so he will pay :)
dvsche73
05-16-2007, 21:34
Why would you care about widescreen on a DAP? (the A stands for Audio, no?).
Actually this looks like a good chance to buy an X5L at a knockdown price, stick Rockbox on it, and live happily ever after. Except I bet the X5L prices won't drop that much (they had already fallen a bit), given its 'classic' status.
Might also be a good time to get those accessories, which were becoming hard to find (remotes, cradles, etc.), unless the X7 is going to use the same ones.
I wonder if they'll fix the non-removable battery, the headphone socket at the side, and the need to have a subpack for charging/USB2.0?? And I wonder how long it'll take to get Rockbox ported to the X7 for gapless playback, and decent firmware support...
I know what you are saying. But I really enjoy watching movies on my DAP. I had an Iriver H340, and that was great (good screen rez, low FPS). Then, I bought an X5, and I would watch the simpsons on it all the time.
I bought an A2 as well, and it's great, it just that it is too big and also, in terms of music listening, it is really limited. It's just that I want a hardrive based pmp/DAP hybrid. I have a feeling that is what the X7 will be like.
Rockin_amigo14
05-16-2007, 22:39
excellent news. it makes me wonder if they have been keeping this a secret for a long time and have atually been testing and implementing the X7 for quite a few months by now.
if this is true, and they've just kept it secret, i'd say it's a great move on their part. reason being that this way it didn't take any attention away from the next-gen products they released at CES, plus people won't be making assumptions just from looks.
Personally, I think it makes for a more interesting story to follow when no huge announcements are given. Just announce the player and release it right away (pay attention here, Creative and Cowon)
hQ-sound
05-17-2007, 09:30
I had a feeling something like this was going to happen before, during and after ordering my X5 the day before you posted that link. I'm always behind the rest of the pack- at least in gadget land. I don't care. I'm still excited to get my X5 going and enjoy it while they work out the X7 bugs...I just hope the great support and loyalty to the X5 doesn't slip into darkness when the release happens. At least Cowon appears to remember their older devices still exist- hopefully the X5 as well, since it did so well for them.
I had a feeling something like this was going to happen before, during and after ordering my X5 the day before you posted that link. I'm always behind the rest of the pack- at least in gadget land. I don't care. I'm still excited to get my X5 going and enjoy it while they work out the X7 bugs...I just hope the great support and loyalty to the X5 doesn't slip into darkness when the release happens. At least Cowon appears to remember their older devices still exist- hopefully the X5 as well, since it did so well for them.
I'm with you. I'm not particularly concerned with having the latest and greatest, and the X5L seems to meet my needs quite nicely as is. I'm ordering mine when I get home from work today, and I'm looking forward to enjoying a more "mature" DAP. [biggrin]
Edit: Well, I did it. Ordered an X5L, 30 GB with an extra subpack, a cradle and the iAudio cover, all through the JetAudio store on Amazon. Looking forward to getting it all sometime next week.
Taustin Powers
05-21-2007, 04:47
If they say "summer release", what exactly would this mean for the US market? Does this mean Korea this summer, sometime later in the US, even later rest of the world? How much of a delay would you estimate?
Based on past product releases, when would you realistically expect the X7 to be available in the states, when all we hear is "summer release"?
GSV3MiaC
05-21-2007, 16:45
Your guess is as good as mine, which is 'October going on Xmas'. Depends how many hard-to-get parts they managed to design in, and what sort of 'available' you mean .. ones and twos don't count in my book. I assume y'all have seen the somewhat dubious mockup at:-
http://board.cowon.com/zeroboard/data_2007/B05/x7_concept_3_modify.jpg
?
millenium man
06-08-2007, 06:58
According to Cowon Europe the release of the new X7 won't be that early.[cry]
They say that are busy with the Q5 and therefore it will take them at least 1-2 months with the X7.
Furthermore they tell you not to believe all that fakes being made up in recent times. (e.g. http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14728 )
So it sure is a pity but on the other hand you now don't have to wait and hesitate to buy a D2 [rolleyes]
via http://www.cowon-iaudio.de.vu (German)
Rockin_amigo14
06-08-2007, 14:39
looks like i'll be buying the new HDD Creative player then.
GSV3MiaC
06-08-2007, 15:56
Well, lotsa luck .. my experience with all things Creative has been poor .. the source of the item has sometimes changed between the review units and the one they shipped me (much of their stuff is, or was, rebadged, from 'sources various'), the quality has been poor going on lousy, and the software support worse than that.
I guess if you get one that can run Rockbox you only have the h/ware quality to worry about .. or maybe they have even improved since I started avoiding them.
Rockin_amigo14
06-08-2007, 18:40
I've only had great experience with Creative. In fact, every player I've ever used, I've had great experiences with.
I never experienced the headphone jack problem with Creative. I agree, the software is terrible, but I use Mediamonkey, which is VERY good software and works flawlessly with the ZVM.
GSV3MiaC
06-09-2007, 11:05
I wasn't talking about media players in particular .. I was thinking of PC sound cards, some of the early PC CD ROM drives, and all sorts of kit. And the software I'm worried about is the firmware on the device .. I avoid most of the manufacturers' 'player' software, whether iAudio, iRiver, Creative, Apple, or whatever, it's all worse than WinMP (IMO), which is really saying something!
Rockin_amigo14
06-09-2007, 16:01
agreed. proprietary software sucks, regardless of brand. However, most media players are compatible with Mediamonkey, which is a wonderful program (IMO)
GSV3MiaC
06-09-2007, 16:25
We agree on that. So why do cowon (and everyone else) insist on developing/bundling a piece of proprietary junk with each player, instead of just giving away freebie MediaMonkey (or dbpoweramp, or whatever) with each player. Or even saying 'go forth and use WMP11'.
Too many otherwise unemployable software engineers? (Couldn't they go fix the many firmware issues instead?). 'Me too' macho bragging rights??
Every time I see 'new release', on the downloads pages, and it turns out to be a new Jetshell/Jetaudio/iRiver3/<etc> my heart just drops - not at all what I was waiting for ..
Going a little off-topic, folks...
Your guess is as good as mine, which is 'October going on Xmas'. Depends how many hard-to-get parts they managed to design in, and what sort of 'available' you mean .. ones and twos don't count in my book. I assume y'all have seen the somewhat dubious mockup at:-
http://board.cowon.com/zeroboard/data_2007/B05/x7_concept_3_modify.jpg
?
I tell you what ...I love that mock! I love how it gets thinner on the ends..makes it real nice to slide in you pocket..also makes it more comfortable in the pocket...I only wish it had a 3.5" screen...like the iphones gonna have...[biggrin] ...3" only makes the screen a half inch bigger than the D2's.
Rockin_amigo14
06-10-2007, 00:02
i don't think i like the idea of a touchscreen. the Q5 is the right size for a touchscreen player. i think anything less than that is a little obnoxious. I'd like Cowon to keep some form of tactile controls, though i don't necessarily know what.
i don't think i like the idea of a touchscreen. the Q5 is the right size for a touchscreen player. i think anything less than that is a little obnoxious. I'd like Cowon to keep some form of tactile controls, though i don't necessarily know what.
I'm not sure I like the idea of a touch screen on the X7 either...although I wouldn't mind it..
But I love the design on that mock up...there's still room for a jog dial on there..[smile] the jog dial takes up very little space...although I think I might like the Controls on the Zune better than the Jog dials on the cowon's...you can still feel the controls on the zune without anything protruding from the player..
Rockin_amigo14
06-10-2007, 09:35
are you referring to the jog dial like the older Creative models used to have ex: Nomad Jukebox, MuVo TX, etc.?
The thing I didn't like about those controls is that the dial gave no feedback. You'd push it one way or the other, but it just felt a little too loose to me. Then again, that's just my opinion. I've seen quite a few people who like the dial.
I really like the Zune controls. It's my current DAP, and it's really very easy to use. No learning curve almost at all.
are you referring to the jog dial like the older Creative models used to have ex: Nomad Jukebox, MuVo TX, etc.?
The thing I didn't like about those controls is that the dial gave no feedback. You'd push it one way or the other, but it just felt a little too loose to me. Then again, that's just my opinion. I've seen quite a few people who like the dial.
I really like the Zune controls. It's my current DAP, and it's really very easy to use. No learning curve almost at all.
I was referring to the jog dial that's on most of Cowon's Dap's...
Yes I had the Zune for a couple days...and the one thing I liked about it was the controls....I believe on that X7 mock up pic that there is still room on there for that sort of control..[smile]
emperorjvl
06-16-2007, 21:31
ugh no touchscreens on the X7 PLEASE... touch-wipe-touch-wipe argh
HipHopScribe
06-17-2007, 09:28
I think they should have a touchscreen on the X7, that should allow them to give it a good sized screen while still keeping the players a relatively nice size.
GSV3MiaC
06-17-2007, 10:40
I disagree .. the screen on the X5 is already fine for displaying 'what is playing', and a touchscreen is miserable to control if it is in a pocket. If you want a screen then buy a D2, A2, Q5 or whatever. I just want a (large capacity) audio player.
'No screen' is taking it a bit too far, but I'm not really interested in paying $$ for extra screen real estate or umpteen trillion colours.
Large memory
long playtime
good sound quality
durability
fast loading from PC, in UMS mode.
(.ogg, gapless, user swappable battery ...)
rest is not interesting (including USB-to-go)
Rockin_amigo14
06-17-2007, 11:05
i think a slightly bigger screen would be nice. 2.2" would be just fine for me.
HipHopScribe
06-17-2007, 16:14
I disagree .. the screen on the X5 is already fine for displaying 'what is playing', and a touchscreen is miserable to control if it is in a pocket. If you want a screen then buy a D2, A2, Q5 or whatever. I just want a (large capacity) audio player.
'No screen' is taking it a bit too far, but I'm not really interested in paying $$ for extra screen real estate or umpteen trillion colours.
Large memory
long playtime
good sound quality
durability
fast loading from PC, in UMS mode.
(.ogg, gapless, user swappable battery ...)
rest is not interesting (including USB-to-go)
The way the market is now, and how Cowon's own recent players are, the X7 is going to be a more video oriented player than the X5. It will have at least a 2.5" screen, and with the D2 already having that, Cowon will probably go even bigger than that, to bridge the gap between the D2 and the A3, so I'm thinking maybe 3", maybe widescreen. I'd say touchscreen is a good possiblity, since they already made the D2 and Q5, and the iPhone is coming out, but it might not have one. I personally would like a touchscreen, that way they can keep the dimensions smaller with fewer controls, but I think they should include a simple remote if they do make it touchscreen, or at least have one sold separately.
I really hope they don't go in that direction at all...they already have the A3, Q5 and D2, I'd like the X7 to be a return to a dedicated music player.
Honestly, if they just redid the X5L w/ 40+gb harddrives and an improved joystick, no subpack, I'd be all over that sucker. The only reason I'm I've been looking (unsuccessfully) for a new DAP, is because the 20gb is really getting restrictive. Everything else is awesome, even the joystick is fine, it's just something that could be improved.
So far, even with the X5 as old as it is, I haven't seen anything that has the battery life, features, format support, and whatever else that the X5 has. And with Rockbox pushing my battery life even further and adding MORE features/support, I really don't think the unit can be topped by anything else than a bigger harddrive/getting rid of the subpack.
GSV3MiaC
06-18-2007, 06:44
The M5L has no subpack .. of course it also has no radio, and no USB-to-go, and a monochrome screen, but it is at least proof you can build something X5L-like without requiring a subpack (if you are willing to do without USB-to-go, at least).
Since I'm always running out of =music= space, the ability to plug in a digital camera and fill the X5 with umpteen gig of pictures and movies just fills me with dread. 8>.
globiboulga
06-20-2007, 01:28
I really agree with HipHop on that one. The way the market is going, the X7 is likely to have quite a large screen. Remember that it will compete with the iPod... The main market for the player is not audiophile. You cannot create a player for audiophiles only. Like, I'd be quite curious to see how the Trekstor sales are going...
But I don't think that necessarily means that the music side of the player will be 'forgotten'. It's just a software question in my opinion, and I am more worried about the fact that the D2 did not show massive improvement in that domain over the X5 (at least when you take rockbox into account). Gapless for example is such a must have to me...
I am sure Cowon is capable of a great piece of hardware. I am just nervous about the software side of things...
Although I have to say we tend to get picky since Cowon software are often a great improvement on other mainstream player (open source codecs, no software to load, eQs...) But hey, it's the name of the game.[thumbsup]
GSV3MiaC
06-20-2007, 05:53
Like, I'd be quite curious to see how the Trekstor sales are going...
From the AMP3 forums it looks like they are almost impossible to get, probably because of problems with the disk supply (I'm talking UK here).
IceDragon7
06-22-2007, 20:57
Dude...why is there a Trojan Horse on that site, it just tried to attack my computer...lucky my fire wall just stopped it
dvsche73
06-27-2007, 03:41
I don't think touch screen would be all that bad if the remote was solid. You may not like joysticks on the player, but on a remote it is the best way to navigate (like the Iriver h3XX remote).
Dude...why is there a Trojan Horse on that site, it just tried to attack my computer...lucky my fire wall just stopped it
lol...same thing happened to me IceDragon7...my anti virus stopped it...[biggrin]
Konechiwa
06-27-2007, 19:06
ZOMG really? Its only been like what 3 years? Thats cool though. Maybe it will have a 2.5" inch screen OMG!
How much you wanna bet:
30Gig, 40Gig HD
3" LCD
and all the regular stuff they put on
nothing special. WATCH!
I can feel it.
Id want a super cowon player as much as you guys but...it just ain't happening
I can feel it!
Rockin_amigo14
06-27-2007, 23:20
that'd be fine with me, so long as it comes out soon.
GSV3MiaC
06-28-2007, 12:44
Dude...why is there a Trojan Horse on that site, it just tried to attack my computer...lucky my fire wall just stopped it
Which site, (i.e. gimme a URL) and what does the AV or firewall report about it? I don't see any problems here ...
I own an X5, which has served me great for the past 2 years. Of course, it's not perfect (there is no such a thing as "perfect DAP/PMP" lol), and these are the improvements I'd like to see in X7:
1) USB host 2.0
USB 1.1 takes all the fun out if, not to mention that small adapter cable I need to carry around with my camera (am I wrong or does Q5 have a classical USB plug for host devices? that's what I'm talking about). Some progress should be made in a software department, too (auto-detect, cut-copy-paste-delete, multiple file/folder selection, better file/folder view)
2) Jog dial
Not "elastic" enough IMO (feels more like a set of buttons than a joystick); also tends to break down easily (I sometimes have trouble with "left"). I'd keep all the buttons on sides, so the screen can take up the entire frontside
3) Screen size/quality
While I agree that touchscreen would be a bad idea for a DAP (e.g. impossible to skip a song while keeping it in your pocket), 1.8" is way too small far a USB-host device.With my x5 image browsing is almost impossible (low pixel count, long loading times...), so it basically becomes external HDD...I'd say 3" or 3.5", so to match screens of most modern digital cameras.
6 and 7 are audio players; Q5 and A2/A3 are pure PMPs; X5/X7 is (and should stay) hybrid
4) Subpack
I'd rather have a bigger DAP than one made of 2 parts ;)
Improved battery life wouldn't be bad either (but I can live with the one I get on my X5 - even after 2 years).
As far as the mock-up is concerned, the body looks great, but I don't really like the touchscreen feature and the hotkey.
What's it doing down there all alone? Seems kind of stupid putting a single (customizable) button on the front side. I mean, what do you do with it? Play/pause? In that case, it can as well be clustered with all the other button (on the side or on the touchscreen)...
HipHopScribe
07-06-2007, 09:42
While I agree that touchscreen would be a bad idea for a DAP (e.g. impossible to skip a song while keeping it in your pocket)
That's not necessarily the case, you can skip a song with the D2 while it's in your pocket, play/pause, and adjust the volume, I would assume the X7 would at least have a similar set up, ideally it would have a wired remote to make it even easier.
Arachnophilia
07-06-2007, 21:12
4) Subpack
I'd rather have a bigger DAP than one made of 2 parts ;)
agreed. give us some nice, high-quality plugs built right into the player.
That's not necessarily the case, you can skip a song with the D2 while it's in your pocket, play/pause, and adjust the volume, I would assume the X7 would at least have a similar set up, ideally it would have a wired remote to make it even easier.
i think somebody had better let cowon know that apparently everyone loves the remote.
I really hope they don't go in that direction at all...they already have the A3, Q5 and D2, I'd like the X7 to be a return to a dedicated music player.
cause as far as I know, that isn't gonna happen. DAP manufacters will stick to video more oeriented side due to the techonolgy and the money it makes.
also, if "X7" were to do that, Video would just be a gimmick (asumming your fine with this seeing as you want the "iAUDIO" name back)
honestly, I don't see a "x7" anytime soon and it was just stupid for cowon to discountiue
Rockin_amigo14
07-18-2007, 18:56
i don't think it was stupid for them to discontinue.
it was stupid to discontinue without the X7 ready to start shipping right away.
Arachnophilia
07-22-2007, 00:58
i don't think it was stupid for them to discontinue.
it was stupid to discontinue without the X7 ready to start shipping right away.
gimme gimme gimme, i want it now now now.
has anyone noticed that we're still getting new members due to the x5? and it's still in high demand? it's a good player; it'll be a good player until they all physically die and go to DAP-heaven. the only reason i'm eve remotely excited about a new versions is that "200 mb free" on my x5.
emperorjvl
07-22-2007, 09:28
I'm starting a job in November and I want an 80 GB X7L by THEN!!! With no subpack, NO touchscreen and better dynamic playlist. That's all to make me fork over $350.
dvsche73
07-23-2007, 03:33
gimme gimme gimme, i want it now now now.
has anyone noticed that we're still getting new members due to the x5? and it's still in high demand? it's a good player; it'll be a good player until they all physically die and go to DAP-heaven. the only reason i'm eve remotely excited about a new versions is that "200 mb free" on my x5.
Agreed. The X5 is a great player. Sad to see it go. In fact, it is so good, it seems it is going to be impossible for the X7 to be anything but a little dissapointing. It is like winning the championship one year and the next year coming in third. Still a good season but not to you expectations, you know?
Arachnophilia
07-26-2007, 02:57
Agreed. The X5 is a great player. Sad to see it go. In fact, it is so good, it seems it is going to be impossible for the X7 to be anything but a little dissapointing. It is like winning the championship one year and the next year coming in third. Still a good season but not to you expectations, you know?
on the contrary, i don't see how the x7 could be anything BUT amazing. i'm sort of invisioning an x5, plus stuff people have been asking for for 2 years -- better screen, id3-browsing, maybe even built-in plugs and album art. the only way it actually get worse, for me, is if they fail to design an in-line remote for it.
fabarati
07-30-2007, 14:11
Hi! Long time member, second time poster. I seriously love my X5, it's served me well for 2 years. And i would like to replace it with an Iaudio, so the X7 has got me excited. One thing i hope thy DON'T remove is the durability. I have seriously abused mine, and it's only after dropping it from my bag on asphalt it got dented. After 1½ years! Now it's got some more blemishes, but that's because I've sat on it for 2 years (I keep it in my back pocket without a protective case and I keep it there when I sit).
I hope they replace the damn headphone jack. I had to exchange my first X5 with Amazon after it broke during the first month of use, then get the second fixed under warranty (and live without it for a whole week! It was horrible, I tell you!) when it broke later that year, then repair it again myself. The thing is just stupidly flimsy.
The subpack connector has also gotten a little loose fitting, but aside from that headphone jack, the thing is sturdy and continues to work great.
Otherwise, a larger hard drive, the ability to delete files without switching to host mode, and faster switching to host mode/starting up after sych are the new features I'd like to see.
Arachnophilia
08-10-2007, 20:33
The subpack connector has also gotten a little loose fitting
the dock is well worth the purchase, btw.
^I'd have to disagree. I'd rather buy another subpack then a cradle.
Arachnophilia
08-11-2007, 00:58
^I'd have to disagree. I'd rather buy another subpack then a cradle.
i have to disagree with your disagreement. :P
i find the cradle very handy, and more simple than the subpack. and much more sturdy.
I find it needlessly bulky, not worth the additional $, and kind of pointless since you still end up needing to alternate cables if you want to use USB (a switch on the front would have been very cool). :)
But we're allowed to disagree. :)
NcowNteR
08-12-2007, 10:34
this is strange to hear
and it makes me have double feelings
1. my own X5L has just crashed and now I can't get a new
2. this great because i want an A2
zaphanathpaneah
08-13-2007, 12:12
Sub pack ....bad, cradle.....hmmm ok.....but I prefer it all built in.
Arachnophilia
08-13-2007, 21:55
Sub pack ....bad, cradle.....hmmm ok.....but I prefer it all built in.
yes. i'll take a player that's a little bigger. give me actual plugs.
zaphanathpaneah
08-20-2007, 17:21
Soooo the word is no X7 in Sept or January or....ever. Apparently it is dead.... cool.....cool. Archos here we come...:-)
read this before you decide: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.4061
Soooo the word is no X7 in Sept or January or....ever. Apparently it is dead.... cool.....cool. Archos here we come...:-)
And again, where's this word coming from?
If you can't cite a source, don't expect to be taken seriously.
thomasfletcher
08-21-2007, 03:37
Maybe theyre holding back on the revealing of the x7 because the actual leak spoiled it a little bit and now they wanna go back and take this excitement, convert it into a controllable thing.
Meaning..... Theyre putting a lid on this, so that when they finally come out with the real thing. Were all gonna be like............. WOUV..... HOLY F*** [yes] [laugh] [wink] [thumbsup] [excited]
Thats what apple does... either push it a bit, or reveal before time. It works.
globiboulga
08-21-2007, 06:08
Yeah, but cowon is not apple and in the meantime I will probably spend my money on something else if I don't get serious and reliable info about the X5 successor.
If you need to upgrade, then you should, don't wait for Cowon, then when the next player is released, if you still want it, you can sell off your upgrade a pay a little for the new player... no point in waiting because you'll just keep on waiting and waiting for the next new player
globiboulga
08-21-2007, 09:13
Well, Dominic, that would be correct if it wasn't for the X5. Besides, I have a D2, so I am not that desperate, but as I mentionned in the closed thread, I miss my X5. The metal casing, the aluminium, the weight, the feel... It's something that I appreciate. You feel you hold something of value, not a plastic toy (the D2 feels like a toy, honestly). It's a pain my brother 'borrowed' it and is now on the other side of the planet.
And I need a lot more than the max 12GB of the D2 to feed my headphone amp with lossless FLAC.
Now, I will wait, I am just afraid to be disappointed by the end result... So if I don't get some level of certainty that the X7 will be an improvement on the X5 (and not a complete redesign), then I will seriously look at alternatives.
And I am quite annoyed that Cowon stoped the production of the X5... It looks like they probably decided to abandon the production of HDD music players (but kept the A3 size and above - PMP line) and they seem to have come back to the drawing table. Which explain why it will be late. It probably never was planned to start with.[excited]
Please let it be the same metal casing as the X5 and not some crappy hard plastic. I would pay for that.
zaphanathpaneah
08-21-2007, 09:58
And again, where's this word coming from?
If you can't cite a source, don't expect to be taken seriously.
I have not seen a credible source to state that it is actually in the works. I contacted Cowon america and Cowon Korea (my coleague at work was born there and she speaks fluent Korean) and they both said .......what? we don't know anything about an X7 or X6 or any update to the X5 series. I was disapointed to say the least. I mean....they got my hopes up high and then crushed it with their bare hands and squeezed what ever little pleasure I hope to get from an X5 update. Oh well I was a sucker like the rest of us to believe that Cowon was actually working on an update.
Cheers mate. I am sorry to bare bad news.
Ah. Well, I'll hope there will be an X7 anyway, but thank you for clarifying where your information was coming from.
I love my X5, and I believe that the delay is caused by the replacement of the X7 HDD with SSD or reasonable amount of flash memory :)
I hope not. I doubt there'd be 30+ gigs of flash onboard, and if the X7 isn't large capacity then I'd still call it unfaithful to the X line.
zaphanathpaneah
08-22-2007, 10:02
just say this on engadget.com. Toshiba has just announced a 16gb SDHC card and a 32gb SDHC. If the x7 does not get released then......thnk of it, a 8gb D2 with a 32gb SDHC card 1/3 the size of an 5G iPod with flashed base. Awesome. Think of the speed, size, expandability. That's nuts man. Can't wait. It would be even better of the X7 is released with SDHC support.
yep. If they managed to release an iaudio 7 with 16gb inside, then it's just a matter of time to double or even quadruple the amount for the bigger form-factor X7.
GSV3MiaC
08-22-2007, 11:09
I don't care if it is flash or not, but I agree there ought be a >60GB option. You can do that with 32GB inside and a pair of SDHC slots. What it's got to have, which is where the D2 and I7 etc currently crash and burn, is all the required music playing features - you know, playlists .. shuffle that works .. preferably gapless ... ideally audioscrobbler.log file. Oh and ACE audio quality, battery life, etc.
upsidedown83
08-22-2007, 13:16
just say this on engadget.com. Toshiba has just announced a 16gb SDHC card and a 32gb SDHC. If the x7 does not get released then......thnk of it, a 8gb D2 with a 32gb SDHC card 1/3 the size of an 5G iPod with flashed base. Awesome. Think of the speed, size, expandability. That's nuts man. Can't wait. It would be even better of the X7 is released with SDHC support.
[shocked]....... [excited]
32GB SDHC!!!!! That's awesome.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/08/toshiba-32gb-sdhc.jpg
thnk of it, a 8gb D2 with a 32gb SDHC card 1/3 the size of an 5G iPod with flashed base.
Also, the card alone MSRPs at $695... You'll have to wait a few years before that kind of tech is cheap
globiboulga
08-22-2007, 21:00
Yeah the proce would be too high
zaphanathpaneah
08-23-2007, 10:01
Price....hmmmm considering people spend more than that in cigerettes and alcohol and drugs each year. I think it is not a bad deal. Just stop smokeing cigerettes and weed man!!
globiboulga
08-23-2007, 17:00
Price, sorry... You have to be realistic, you can't price a successor at the very different price point than the first serie. Furthermore, the X5 will have a price point that will be very similar to the one of the iPod HDD.
And then, it stikes me now... A good look at the specs, the style, the color... It's bloody obvious: the A3 is the X5 replacement... That's why there is no X5... It's never been planned...
So we'll have to wait because Cowon never saw the new X5 being anything other than the A3...
zaphanathpaneah
08-27-2007, 13:58
Yo know what ??? i think you are right. Cowon is losing market share in Korea is they may take this opportunity to consolidate products. They have a 16gb iAudio 7, an 8gb (with SDHC) in the works just a few weeks away and the A3 with 30gb plus on the way. Oh...wait don't forget the Q5 and long list of other smaller capacity players.
Does anyone have evidence, that the "x7" will ever come. Any hard facts ?
Regards from Austria
Richard
PS: I was just about buying an I7 or D2 when I found out, that they don't work with m3u Playlists .....[thumbdwn]
Man I'm really wanting a new X5....just started ripping to flac for the D2 and even with a 16gb card it's not enough space...man I wish they'd come out with a new portable player....I'm still am in love with this mock pic....a 3" or 3-1/2 screen would be so nice a long as the screen would take up most of the front of the player so as to keep the unit as small as possible...I'm getting used to the touch screen and this pic is perfect...
http://board.cowon.com/zeroboard/data_2007/B05/x7_concept_3_modify.jpg
Any news at all coming from Cowon about a replacement for the X5?
Edit: as to my question..just read doniago's last post..
Punnisher
01-27-2008, 13:37
I have been searching hard to find a new high capacity player, but I can find none with a line-out. I really wish they would come out with the x7, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Although I hope it doesn't have a huge touchscreen, it needs to be a music player first. After all, we already have the A3 and Q5 for video playback.
I have been searching hard to find a new high capacity player, but I can find none with a line-out. I really wish they would come out with the x7, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Although I hope it doesn't have a huge touchscreen, it needs to be a music player first. After all, we already have the A3 and Q5 for video playback.
I agree with you on that I wouldn't want a huge screen but a 3 inch widescreen is far from huge and it could easily be made to be as small or smaller than the current D2. Or if anything it could be narrower and just slightly longer than the D2...and to me that would be perfect.
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